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re: How Many Here Know That Intelligence Told Obama That Trump/Russia Was False, But.....
Posted on 12/4/25 at 6:52 am to KCT
Posted on 12/4/25 at 6:52 am to KCT
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He and I had a "back-and-forth" once because I said (correctly) that Obama had "spied" on Trump. When I substituted the word "surveilled" for spied, he grudgingly agreed with that.
Within the context of legality and authorized executive power, the difference is very large....and that conversation was about the legality involved and the effect of executive authority on potential prosecutions.
Details matter.
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 6:54 am to SDVTiger
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They also tapped his wires
This is a lie.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:10 am to KCT
He specifically called an Oval Office meeting with his top toadies and insisted they “look again” and find a lever to prosecute Trump with.
But the centrists don’t see a problem with that… too busy ripping their hair out over sinking narco boats.
But the centrists don’t see a problem with that… too busy ripping their hair out over sinking narco boats.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:15 am to KCT
We've known that this was the probable situation for at least 6 years. The bare contents of that January meeting were revealed early on, but got no traction anywhere but the 'social media' outlets that would allow it.
But recent disclosures have revealed the absolute facts about Obama's seditious actions - and any of the DOJ who fell in line are suspect as well.
there needs to be sedition trials.
But recent disclosures have revealed the absolute facts about Obama's seditious actions - and any of the DOJ who fell in line are suspect as well.
there needs to be sedition trials.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:16 am to Vacherie Saint
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But the centrists don’t see a problem with that
I mean I wouldn't vote for Obama after that, but I didn't vote for him previously, either, so
Are y'all trying to get Obama voters to say they wouldn't vote for him again? I can use the MAGA deflection for Trump to respond if you'd like.
The issue being pointed out is turning that almost assuredly legal action within his authority as head of the Executive into a crime or criminal conspiracy is silly.
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too busy ripping their hair out over sinking narco boats.
Ah, the straw man is skrong this morning
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:18 am to ChineseBandit58
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But recent disclosures have revealed the absolute facts about Obama's seditious actions
How can Obama's actions be seditious when he was the President at the time?
That argument only works if Trump was the President when this behavior occurred, and that's not possible, as Obama was the President.
To argue sedition for Obama, you have to point out similar actions taken while Trump was President, post-inauguration (not post-election).
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:19 am to KCT
Obama could've had a historical administration if he had left the racist side of himself out of the equation. Deep down, he hates the white side of himself because that strips him of his status as a true black man. Even Michelle, despises the white side of him.
But he fully understood, he had to have a white man on his ticket to get elected, so he sought out the dumbest white politician available, so he wouldn't be overshadowed.
And lo and behold, it worked for him! Just like Moses parted the Red Sea, Obama parted this country and brought race relations back several years due to his rhetoric.
Someday, doctors will reveal that Obama came out of the wrong hole at birth. He was intended to be a turd, but somehow he wound up in the wrong tube.
But he fully understood, he had to have a white man on his ticket to get elected, so he sought out the dumbest white politician available, so he wouldn't be overshadowed.
And lo and behold, it worked for him! Just like Moses parted the Red Sea, Obama parted this country and brought race relations back several years due to his rhetoric.
Someday, doctors will reveal that Obama came out of the wrong hole at birth. He was intended to be a turd, but somehow he wound up in the wrong tube.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:35 am to KCT
Why do right wingers have to keep trying to convince themselves of this? The Senate investigation found clear connections between the Trump campaign and Russia but not the level of coordination some alleged. And the report cites a lot of actual evidence to support its conclusions. Yet right wingers tell each other almost daily, many years later, that “everything is a hoax.” Why are you still trying to convince yourselves?
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:38 am to TBoy
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The Senate investigation found clear connections between the Trump campaign and Russia but not the level of coordination some alleged.
you mean the report based upon fake news and false information? How did you not know that? quote:
Why are you still trying to convince yourselves?
Tboy is the one moron left that still believes the Muh Russia fairy tale. You think Trump urinated in hookers, don’t you? Be honest. This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 7:40 am
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:42 am to Bama Mountain
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This is a lie.
educate yourself. This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 7:43 am
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:43 am to KCT
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Trump/Russia collusion actually happened
I have seen no evidence that Trump himself colluded with Russia but it was well documented by the GOP led Senate intelligence report that Trump's campaign manager was in regular contact a Russian Intelligence agent and shared confidential, swing state, microtargeting date with him. He did this knowing that Russian intelligence was actively interfering with the U.S. election in support of Trump.
Senate Intelligence Committee report in Russia interference.
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“Taken as a whole, Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik, represented a grave counterintelligence threat,”
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:48 am to Bama Mountain
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He did this knowing that Russian intelligence was actively interfering with the U.S. election in support of Trump.
muh Facebook ads. Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:53 am to BBONDS25
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educate yourself.
Yet another content free post. Present your evidence that Obama taped Trump's phones.......of course you will respond with no evidence, just insults and deflection, so I will save us all some time.
Trump's own DOJ found no evidence to support Trump's lie.
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“Both FBI and NSD confirm that they have no records related to wiretaps as described by the March 4, 2017 tweets,” ....“FBI again confirmed that they do not have any such records by consulting with personnel knowledgeable about Director Comey’s statements and the surveillance activities of the FBI.”
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:56 am to BBONDS25
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muh Facebook ads.
If you read the GOP led Senate Intelligence Committee report you would know it was much more than some Facebook ads.......but reading is hard, throwing rocks is easier.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:57 am to Bama Mountain
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This is a lie.
Its actually a fact. I know you dont like facts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:58 am to KCT
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Barack "Not a smidgen of corruption" was and is a snake in the grass, but some of you don't have a clue. Yet, E. Jean Carroll's "case" against Trump was plausible?#SAD
We all know it. Half the country unfortunately likes "a snake in the grass".
I couldn't stand the guy and I didn't think he was the public speaker half the country thought he was.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:00 am to SDVTiger
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Its actually a fact. I know you dont like facts
Wrong again. Trump's DOJ investigated it and found the claim that Obama tapped Trump's phones to be false..
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:02 am to Bama Mountain
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Wrong again. Trump's DOJ investigated it and found the claim that Obama tapped Trump's phones to be false..
Axios and CNN are being cute. Limiting their analysis to the tweets on a specific date and distinguishing “taps” from “surveillance”
Why are you so dishonest?
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:03 am to Bama Mountain
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Wrong again. Trump's DOJ investigated it and found the claim that Obama tapped Trump's phones to be false..
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as described by the March 4, 2017 tweets."
They're not claiming he wasn't spied on, they're claiming his description wasn't technically accurate. GTFO with this nonsense; everybody knows the entire Crossfire Hurricane deal was dirty and illegal as hell. Celebrate the fact that none of them will face any real consequences but don't try to gaslight a political forum.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:03 am to Bama Mountain
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If you read the GOP led Senate Intelligence Committee report you would know it was much more than some Facebook ads.......but reading is hard, throwing rocks is easier.
The committee was relying upon information available at the time. Which was incomplete and incorrect. Of course you know this. You’re just a dishonest a hole.
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