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re: How is it possible that some Protestant churches support gay marriage?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 6:53 pm to Uga Alum
Posted on 5/19/25 at 6:53 pm to Uga Alum
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Your interpretation of scripture is subjective. Anyway, it was good speaking with all of you. But I have to retire for the evening. God bless.
Enjoyed it.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 6:56 pm to FooManChoo
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God cannot lie and He has promised that if I am trusting in Jesus Christ by faith to cover my sins that my sins are forgiven and I have eternal life. He has given me evidences of this promise in His word that I can cling to, and I provided several of those evidences from 1 John.
I know whom I love and trust in, and I see the evidences of the Spirit's work in my life. I trust God's promises, and His promises are better than a done deal, because He cannot lie.
To some extent this is the border between 3 point and 5 point Calvinists,
Calvin was reactionary to the Catholic dogma of the time that was rife with the selling of indulgences and claims that you could never be sure if your relative was with God.
This gets into the concept of did God foreknow or fore choose the elect, as he knows the future, he would know all those who chose to follow of their own free will.
Calvinists take that as fore chose.
But this is why theology is a gift from God. He told us the important parts.
Then we delve the mysteries of God on the parts of interest but not critical to salvation.
We don't need to be right on the elect, or on how many angels can dance on a pin.
If we disagree about God, one or both of us are wrong.
But the Bible is certain on the core of salvation, that is clear.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:07 pm to Narax
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This gets into the concept of did God foreknow or fore choose the elect, as he knows the future, he would know all those who chose to follow of their own free will.
This is where I'm at. I lean toward the "elect" being the ones that God foreknew would believe his son for salvation.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:08 pm to Uga Alum
Some churches are just social clubs that are open on Sunday
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:22 pm to DesScorp
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So… instead of imploring Christians to fix their divorce and premarital sex problems, the answer is “I guess we’ll just encourage these other sins until you people get them ALL right”?
No. Quit glossing over the other sins while condemning gays. The only time I’ve seen a church take a stand on divorce is when they told Charles Stanley he couldn’t get remarried when his wife divorced him.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:44 pm to Uga Alum
I left the Methodist church some years ago. They completely lost their minds.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:13 pm to Uga Alum
Could someone please explain how two guys schlonging each others’ turd channels is part of God’s plan?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:48 pm to yakster
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That is hilarious. You use a blanket statement to incorporate all Protestant churches under it
This is nonsense. Facts are facts. The only Christian churches that support gay marriage are in fact Protestant churches. The Catholic and the Orthodox Church do not support gay marriage.
This in no way means that all Protestant churches support gay marriage.
I try my best to follow Christ’s teachings, but every human on earth falls short of His expectations in som form or another, and that is where His grace comes in, and the whole point of His Passion and resurrection.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:54 pm to Furious
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The Catholic and the Orthodox Church do not support gay marriage.
No, they just support gay priests.
See how easy it is to lump everybody together? There's nothing wrong with a belief system because another person who has the same label is screwed up.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:12 pm to Furious
quote:My friend, there are levels of debauchery. Supporting gay marriage is one thing. Covering up pedophilia is a whole other universe. Glass houses and shite.
This is nonsense. Facts are facts. The only Christian churches that support gay marriage are in fact Protestant churches. The Catholic and the Orthodox Church do not support gay marriage.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:27 pm to Flats
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No, they just support gay priests.
Totally different argument vs church doctrine.
Human beings are fallible, all of us.
There are bad people in all churches, but the doctrine of the Catholic Church is pure and guided by the Holy Spirit.
Remember that the religious leaders of the time executed Christ, additionally, one of Christ’s chosen was evil as well,
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:28 pm to RFK
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They happen to have a woman pastor at the moment. I am also certain she is a lesbian
Nope
Nope
Nope
Nope
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:29 pm to greygoose
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Glass houses and shite.
I am in no way arguing that the Catholic Church has never done anything wrong. This was about gay marriage only.
Covering up pedophilia is a sin and abhorrent. That does not make the church bad, but there were certainly bad actors.
Are all Americans or America bad, because Biden or Obama are evil?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:04 pm to Fat Bastard
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quote: 1 Timothy 2:11–14 11 Let a woman learn quietly owith all submissiveness. 12 pI do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 qFor Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but sthe woman was deceived and became a transgressor. If a church permits a woman to preach, they permit what God forbids. That’s bad. The elders do not have the authority to authorize a woman to violate God’s Word.
Sounds like the 19th amendment and its consequences
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:08 pm to FooManChoo
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Protestants argue that the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches also use their own interpretations which have led them astray from the truth. The difference is the type of polity that enables a top-down conformity to those bad interpretations rather than in Protestantism, where Christians are free to attempt to reform bad interpretations and then to leave a false or erroneous denomination.
Oh, well if some Protestants say so....
What a joke.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:24 pm to Uga Alum
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Yeah, so my point is that I read your quotes and didn’t think that the ECF were promoting your argument. It seems that you are reaching to interpret your words in a way that is favorable to you. And I don’t see how you can claim to have some superior knowledge of what the early church fathers meant apart from the actual words they wrote.
That's what they do and then hold us in disdain. It helps them to justify their beliefs.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:28 pm to Uga Alum
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Yeah, there have been many Catholic popes that have sucked. But I’m not Catholic. All I’m saying is that if the Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church, and the Oriental Orthodox Church never had this idea of sola fide or sola scriptura, for 1500 years, and were on the same page concerning the Eucharist, and were on the same page in interpreting the ECF, it is a little peculiarly that Martin Luther and John Calvin came out of nowhere with these radically new ideas after a millennia and a half of Christianity, especially when none of them actually knew the ECF’s, the Apostles, or Christ.
Many of them seem to think that a leather-bound, gilt edged KJV just fell from the heavens into Protestant hands with zero thought about where Scripture actually comes from.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:40 pm to jizzle6609
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Also, huge respect on the Lenten season sacrifices. I learned this year of what the Orthodox do for lent (at least this dude) and I have to say it’s tough stuff. True sacrifice.
It can be quite the marathon.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:47 pm to Flats
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No, they just support gay priests.
That's a pretty broad brush there.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:47 pm to greygoose
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My friend, there are levels of debauchery. Supporting gay marriage is one thing. Covering up pedophilia is a whole other universe. Glass houses and shite.
I'd prefer if you didn't drag us into that. Thanks in advance.
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