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re: How has the gun not been more traceable. It is not easy to find untraceable guns for most
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:52 pm to Scoob
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:52 pm to Scoob
You're talking ancient history about Mausers, I'm talking modern firearm records (specifically guns made/imported in the last 40 years) And in previous posts we already discussed all of the things you said, quite literally, with regards to private sales.
I highly doubt this was some artifact Mauser. Thus, we are hopeful there is a paper trail. There may not be, who knows right now. But if it's a modern firearm, there will be a detailed chain of custody up until it's sold. Hopefully it was sold to this shitbird directly.
I highly doubt this was some artifact Mauser. Thus, we are hopeful there is a paper trail. There may not be, who knows right now. But if it's a modern firearm, there will be a detailed chain of custody up until it's sold. Hopefully it was sold to this shitbird directly.
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:54 pm to lsufan1971
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TF trace goes to the manufacturer first with the serial number and traces from there. Normal case takes 1-2 weeks. The NTC(National Trace Center) probably has 100 agents working this case
The correct answer. You fill out that form to buy a new weapon they can trace it right back to you easily the way he's describing.
Any other way though, it gets more murky. And it doesn't really matter because the gun isn't the problem. It helps to see if there's a conspiracy, but if there is, it's too simple to avoid scrutiny so who wouldn't they avoid it? If they don't then shame on them. Throw the book at them.
Deal with the criminal. The gun's peripheral.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 11:11 pm to captdalton
quote:Looks exactly like a sporterized surplus rifle.
It was a supremely shitty job of mounting the scope. But it did not look like a surplus rifle.
quote:for the longest time, they WERE rechambered. Often by the importers. That's because you could buy 30-06 in the US, but 8mm Mauser was hard to find.
If it was he 1) had to have it rebarreled
There's even a wildcat round, 8mm-06, where they addressed the chamber for 30-06 brass, but kept the 8mm bullet.. because you could reload that with 30-06 brass.
quote:Huh? The picture of the gun in question, it doesn't look pristine. And for the record, you can cold blue a barrel in 10 minutes, and it would look like that photo.
2) had the whole barreled action refinished so the bluing of the 85 year old receiver exactly matched the new barrel
quote:That's called a monte carlo stock.
3) dropped it in a new stock (that looks exactly like the stock a new factory m18 comes in)
And it ain't new.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 11:18 pm to Mister Completely
quote:Go back and look at the safety at the rear of the bolt.
I highly doubt this was some artifact Mauser
Look at the M18, look at the gun in question, look at the sporterized mauser (I posted pics of all 3).
That is not an M18. That's the classic old Mauser wing safety.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 11:21 pm to Scoob
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for the longest time, they WERE rechambered. Often by the importers. That's because you could buy 30-06 in the US, but 8mm Mauser was hard to find.
There's even a wildcat round, 8mm-06, where they addressed the chamber for 30-06 brass, but kept the 8mm bullet.. because you could reload that with 30-06 brass.
Just to add, 30.06 was not only more available but also noncorrosive. Most of the 8mm available was corrosive and led to the bores being degraded also, so rechambering was a no brainer.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 11:41 pm to SpartanSoul
And also adding this... previous poster said "some artifact mauser", like it's extremely unlikely to find or that it would be effective.
The large ring mauser design (of which the K98 is an example) was pretty much perfected over 100 yrs ago. MILLIONS were made by the Germans, Belgians, Czechs, etc.
They became obsolete, only in that they were bolt action high caliber rifles, and military doctrine switched to smaller caliber and/or semiauto and select fire rifles. The various militaries phased them out in favor of the FAL, G3, ARs etc. But they weren't made out of crap, and they don't become ineffective the way a cellphone does... a decently cared-for one will continue to function adequately enough to take down anything on 2 or 4 legs.
The large ring mauser design (of which the K98 is an example) was pretty much perfected over 100 yrs ago. MILLIONS were made by the Germans, Belgians, Czechs, etc.
They became obsolete, only in that they were bolt action high caliber rifles, and military doctrine switched to smaller caliber and/or semiauto and select fire rifles. The various militaries phased them out in favor of the FAL, G3, ARs etc. But they weren't made out of crap, and they don't become ineffective the way a cellphone does... a decently cared-for one will continue to function adequately enough to take down anything on 2 or 4 legs.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 11:57 pm to ItTakesAThief
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Folks.
I am surprised we have not heard more about the gun.
I doubt the gun had a serial number on it, any identification was likely filed. Any further info like when and where it was manufactured, where it could have be sold from initially would either take a lot of time or be too tough to narrow down.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 12:01 am to Scoob
I am not buying that it is a sporterized surplus rifle. Is it possible? Sure.
I can’t tell from that photo exactly what is going on with the safety.
But having cold blued one barreled action it is damn near impossible to get one to resemble a hot blued action. And they imported new Mauser actions, Legacy Sports used to be the importer.
Finding actual milsurp K98 mausers in good condition is damn tough nowdays.
But maybe it is. Hell, it could be a winchester model 70. The media never gets anything wrong when it comes to firearms.
I can’t tell from that photo exactly what is going on with the safety.
But having cold blued one barreled action it is damn near impossible to get one to resemble a hot blued action. And they imported new Mauser actions, Legacy Sports used to be the importer.
Finding actual milsurp K98 mausers in good condition is damn tough nowdays.
But maybe it is. Hell, it could be a winchester model 70. The media never gets anything wrong when it comes to firearms.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 12:08 am to Trevaylin
quote:No it isn't.
its an M18 Mauser with a synthetic stock currently priced at 850 bucks new.
That is not an M18 bolt. It has the winged safety you find on older Mausers, such as the K98, VZ 24, etc.
It's in a monte carlo stock, like most sporterized rifles. Look at the finish of the bolt handle, the faded patina. That thing is old.
Interesting evaluation from a board more knowledgeable on what it may be (Gunboards, a milsurp firearms collector's forum)
LINK
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 12:16 am
Posted on 9/12/25 at 12:57 am to captdalton
quote:It's a winged safety.
I am not buying that it is a sporterized surplus rifle. Is it possible? Sure.
I can’t tell from that photo exactly what is going on with the safety.
The bolt is old, lots of patina.
The gun in the photo is tired. Finish is worn.
quote:No it isn't, not if you know where to look. I'd imagine there are tons of sporters in Utah. And hell, RTI just a few months ago listed quite a few sporters, in 30-06, in that exact configuration, for about $300. Monte carlo stocks, not synthetic, just old wood that hadn't been restored or cleaned in forever. I bought a couple (Steyrs, not Mausers), and the wood looked exactly like that, until I scrubbed gently with Murphy's Oil Soap, and after thoroughly dry hit with some linseed oil.
Finding actual milsurp K98 mausers in good condition is damn tough nowdays.
Guns exactly like this are in rural closets and gun cabinets all over the country.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 1:06 am to coonass27
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No gun purchase database
Are you for real. I am pro 2A. I always assumed that they tracked that kind of stuff.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 1:51 am to Neutral Underground
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Are you for real. I am pro 2A. I always assumed that they tracked that kind of stuff.
Most firearms can be tracked using some effort because of the forms required during purchase, and most people cooperate with investigators if they come knocking. However, there is not a national database where they just type in a serial number and it pops up who owns it.
I always laugh when someone says a gun is registered to them. It’s not.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:05 am to captdalton
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Finding actual milsurp K98 mausers in good condition is damn tough nowdays.
25 years ago...not that long in terms of a gun...I bought my brother (Christmas present) a Mauser from a pawn shop for less than $100. It was interesting and in good shape. It was one of a few that were there. With iron sights it was still a tack driver and for sure had the winged safety like in the photo...surprisingly accurate.
If I changed the stock to synthetic, available on Ebay for less than $140 currently, and mount a scope on it I have that exact gun.
K98 Mauser style rifles are factually all over the place.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:16 am to Scoob
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Guns exactly like this are in rural closets and gun cabinets all over the country.
Yep. Sitting in grandpa's closet.
Before the 1960s there was no law requiring guns to have serial numbers.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:16 am to dnm3305
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This was a setup. The footage of those security personnel signaling less than 2 seconds before Kirk was shot is irrefutable.
Thats why they were standing right in the line of fire behind the victim, yeah that makes a lot of sense................
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:16 am to lsufan1971
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Spent round-matched to the rifling on the rifle.
Is this true? Have they matched it already?
There was a reason this gun was used I suspect. Traceability is difficult and probably passed through a few different owners thru private sales.
It would've been a much easier entry and exit had he used an AR-10 that could be broken down and carried in the backpack.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:25 am to TigernMS12
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Then, even if you are lucky and get one you have to have the matching print be in a database for it to be worth anything as far as identifying an unknown suspect.
Most cellphone companies, like Apple, have your dominant hand thumbprint you use every day to unlock your phone.
Many companies use a thumbprint to clock in and out.
Your prints are a lot of places you dont think they are.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:38 am to Mister Completely
Wow, our govt sure knows how to trace firearms, almost as effective as tracking the 1000s of tons of cocaine that enter our country every year.....
Seriously, you think they can easily trace a rifle some guy bought 70 years ago in germany at a flea market that was made by some german manufacturer during ww2? Or some gun that was handed down from grandpa long before they had registry rules?
Im being a smart arse, but the process you just described is the same one the airlines describes in detail regarding the handling of luggage.....and they lose 1000s of pieces everyday.
Seriously, you think they can easily trace a rifle some guy bought 70 years ago in germany at a flea market that was made by some german manufacturer during ww2? Or some gun that was handed down from grandpa long before they had registry rules?
Im being a smart arse, but the process you just described is the same one the airlines describes in detail regarding the handling of luggage.....and they lose 1000s of pieces everyday.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:40 am to captdalton
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They know who filled out the 4473 form to buy that gun initially.
Not before 1968.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:57 am to dnm3305
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This was a setup. The footage of those security personnel signaling less than 2 seconds before Kirk was shot is irrefutable
Lol... this is sooooooo dumb! I saw zero "signaling". The guy in black has been with Charley for a long time and is at every one of these events.
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