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re: How does the U.S. or any other country have the right to seize Russian property
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:29 am to Revelator
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:29 am to Revelator
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How does the U.S. or any other country have the right to seize Russian property
Wow, how the PoliBoard turns on itself. When the US unfreezes the frozen assets of Iran, the PoliBoard propagandists rage on for years that somehow the US delivered money and assets to Iran. It was their assets that were frozen here.
Now that it happens to Putin and his circle, the PoliBoard propagandists are all in a tizzy.
Perhaps the issue is really the blatant loyalty to Russia and against US interests.
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:30 am to Revelator
Who’s gonna buy all those gazillion dollar yachts? Our oligarchs? At a steep discount?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:35 am to TBoy
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Wow, how the PoliBoard turns on itself. When the US unfreezes the frozen assets of Iran, the PoliBoard propagandists rage on for years that somehow the US delivered money and assets to Iran. It was their assets that were frozen here.
One difference is that the funds you referenced were the government of Iran's funds and not an individuals.
I am assuming the Biden administration has some mechanism to sieze assets of those connected to the regime. These aren't assets of a U.S. citizen so probably not subject to U.S. laws
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:40 am to 14&Counting
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One difference is that the funds you referenced were the government of Iran's funds and not an individuals.
I agree that is a difference, and it may possibly be legally significant, maybe.
And it is also worth noting that numerous countries are doing the exact same seizures of assets with Russian ownership. This would certainly suggest that this isn't an issue unique to the U.S.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:41 am to TBoy
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Perhaps the issue is really the blatant loyalty to Russia and against US interests.
You really still going with muh Russia after all these years?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:42 am to TBoy
quote:OP clearly included other countries. Does that make it OK?
And it is also worth noting that numerous countries are doing the exact same seizures of assets with Russian ownership. This would certainly suggest that this isn't an issue unique to the U.S.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:45 am to TBoy
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Perhaps the issue is really the blatant loyalty to Russia and against US interests.
It's not this, it's just dumb team politics.
Biden and leftists are waving Ukraine flags so Ukraine is bad. Putin pretends to be pro-Christian and anti-globalist so Putin is good.
They'll tell you they're not actually pro Putin, and I think that's true, but one could be forgiven for confusion when they lash out at every piece of negative Russia news and celebrate every Ukraine loss.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:46 am to Revelator
How does Russia have the right to invade another country?
If we are talking about rights and all.
If we are talking about rights and all.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:49 am to DragginFly
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Who’s gonna buy all those gazillion dollar yachts? Our oligarchs? At a steep discount?
The first time I went to Morocco I was with two German guys I met on the boat from Spain to Tangier over who had just graduated from high school. About ten minutes after we got off the ferry, we were surrounded by street kids who all had their hands out begging. I smacked one in the head and got out of the crowd right away but the two German dudes were confused by the situation and trying to figure out what to do. After a few seconds one of the Moroccan kids offered to sell one of the German dudes his own shoes that the street kid had taken out of the German's backpack after the kid cut it open with some kind of very sharp blade. The German guy grabbed the shoes and yelled, "This place is like hell!" The Moroccan street kids thought that was hysterical and they were all laughing and trying to sell back other things they were pulling out of his pack. It was crazy. The kids were having a blast rolling this dude.
Maybe that's what will happen. The world can steal their yachts and then try to sell them back while laughing.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:51 am to Revelator
How does Russia or any other country have the right to seize a whole or a part of a sovereign nation?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:53 am to Revelator
Same (and only) right every government has: right of might. The probelm is that when you operate this way you create a culture where everyone operates the same and people stop wanting to do business with you and you lose credibility. That being said, while we are wrong in our actions, probably, Russia is an aggressor and literally doing the same right now on a national scale and likely warrants some punitive retaliation.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 10:46 am to Srobi14
All policy is at the barrel of a gun
Posted on 5/2/22 at 10:52 am to Revelator
He technically never got the term “kleptocracy” out. He butchered it to death
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:31 am to Revelator
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They seize the property of U.S. citizens who are suspected of committing crimes - civil asset forfeiture.
Right, citizens. Russians aren’t citizens. ( not that seizing our property is right)
I believe what chaps people's arse is that you can shoot someone and get cashless bail. If the irs "suspects" you of something they can sieze your working capital, cost you uptold 1000s in legal fees, and in the end just say whoops my bad and give you back your money....but your business is toast.
So I guess if they can do this to a citizen, they have NO QUALMS about illegally seizing assets of a citizen of another country....unless they are illegal, then we give them a free phone, lunch, some nappies, and a free flight to anywhere they want in the US, its just how we roll.
Maybe that should be the tact for these oligarchs, they should claim asylum in the US
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:25 pm to trinidadtiger
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I believe what chaps people's arse is that you can shoot someone and get cashless bail. If the irs "suspects" you of something they can sieze your working capital, cost you uptold 1000s in legal fees, and in the end just say whoops my bad and give you back your money....but your business is toast. So I guess if they can do this to a citizen, they have NO QUALMS about illegally seizing assets of a citizen of another country....unless they are illegal, then we give them a free phone, lunch, some nappies, and a free flight to anywhere they want in the US, its just how we roll.
Seizing assets of Russian oligarchs in this situation has nothing whatsoever to do with ordinary civil or criminal asset forfeiture. Those things are terrible, but not at play here in any way. The legal authority to do so is not related.
Conflating them or trying to extrapolate the principle behind the two circumstances is a fools errand.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:29 pm to RoosterCogburn585
Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:49 pm to TBoy
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Perhaps the issue is really the blatant loyalty to Russia and against US interests.
No, I’m simply able
to separate the Russian citizens from their corrupt government.
Are you for banning pro Russian tennis players simply because they are Russian?
Should we blame every Chinese person for the acts of their government?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:52 pm to BayouBlitz
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How does Russia have the right to invade another country?
You’d have to ask history about this, because it’s been going on for millennia.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:33 pm to Revelator
First time I saw this confiscation was with the truckers in Canada. Their government passed some sort of emergency powers act to get this power. Biden didn't even do that. And he gets other countries to do the same thing. I believe the World Economic Forum is behind this. As the war with Russia cranks up, we will see a lot more of this.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:40 pm to Revelator
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First, under what jurisdiction is this possible for us to seize private property from citizens of foreign countries?
The Magnitsky Act.
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Two, if this is possible, can Putin seize the assets of politicians like Biden, Pelosi and the Clinton’s
If their assets are stashed in Russia, yes.
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