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re: How do so many Americans have a fundamental misunderstanding of the 2nd amendment?
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:05 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:05 pm to BamaAtl
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You're complicit in these deaths.
If we're going to play this game, then either you're complicit in or okay with the dozens of millions of folks massacred by their own governments, just in the past 100 years or so (really about 85), AFTER being disarmed by them.
So, do you want to try to have it both ways, or admit this is a tough, complex issue, not the one you want to dismiss as "easy" - as long as we go your way?
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:08 pm to PointsInCase
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Researchers control the variables you are mentioning. And throwing out random possibilities (like blaming SSRIs) is not very logical or useful in debate and/or solving a problem. The elephant in the room is the obvious cultural differences between the U.S. and elsewhere.
The elephant in the room is the SSRI's dumbfrick. SSRI's are absolutely terrible for peoples' mental health, yet they're being slung around like candy. If you honestly think that the desire to be famous or the fact that they sell AR's at Academy Sports is to blame here, then I don't know what to tell you.
You quite literally just admitted that your study is flawed because it ignores many key variables and possibilities. The only way that a study can be reputable is if every single possible variable is accounted for, in order to establish controls, independent variables, and dependent variables. You don't get to decide what the "elephant in the room is", science does.
Why are leftists so scared of studies that account for ALL variables and adjust them accordingly instead of some shoddy pseudoscientific study which ignores
"problematic" and "non-PC" topics. Could it be because the left is literally an obsessive religion and that the people who follow it don't want to know the truth?
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No one can control the culture of desiring fame.
No one can control the ability to procure a gun in a country which borders Mexico and already has more guns than people
pick your battles there buddyPosted on 2/18/18 at 8:08 pm to BamaAtl
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It's been said a few times already, in this thread. Go find it, then report back with your wild mischaracterization that I want to ban ARs again.
I said specifically. As in what action would you like taken to prevent this in the future, not just some dumbshit captain obvious remark about less guns and less gun deaths.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:10 pm to PointsInCase
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This argument is a logical fallacy, in its purest form. It's called false equivalence. And the fact that this is the core of your argument means you have no argument at all.
dude. My argument is how hypocritical bitchatl and his ilk are. It isn't about saving lives at all. If it were about saving lives there are a plethora of things that kill far more people that aren't protected. These are easy low hanging fruit. If saving lives is the end goal, I would hope that you would try to save half a million before 15 thousand.
Edit.. Also, I don't think bitchatl nor his ilk are responsible for deaths via assault cigarettes. Just like I'm not responsible for some Wacko killing someone with a gun.
But I'm not the one basing my argument around emotions and "if it saves one life". That would be the lefts argument.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:14 pm to beerJeep
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If it were about saving lives there are a plethora of things that kill far more people that aren't protected. These are easy low hanging fruit.
They could instantly begin lobbying for Apple to implement software that would lock iPhones as soon as they reach 10 MPH and keep them locked for a few minutes afterward, while retaining the emergency call function. Would completely eliminate texting and driving and save thousands and thousands of lives immediately while doing literally no tangible harm to anyone. Instead they're focused on getting rid of objects that regularly save lives and are used by millions of Americans completely legally for personal defense. They're sociopaths in the deepest sense of the word. THEY dictate which lives are important and which ones aren't, not you you Nazi conservative fascist redneck racist homophone bigot right wing scum.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:40 pm to LSUgrad08112
Justice Scalia probably understood the 2nd amendment more than some PT poster
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:24 pm to BamaAtl
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It absolutely is a set of beliefs. An incorrect one, at that.
No, it isn't. It's literally in black and white.
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As we've just shown.
This is so tired. You've shown nothing, as usual.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:32 pm to BamaAtl
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Not in the sense you mean.
In what sense do I mean?
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You really aren't capable of contributing to any honest analysis of it, so why waste both our time?
What you really mean is that I won't let you get away with posting charts absent context or "studies" that amount to nothing more than agenda-driven opinions based on cherry-picked data.
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You lack the tools, and you're not exactly going to pick them up in the near future.
That must be why you don't bring up the CDC info anymore. Or your idiotic point about vehicle registration. Or nuclear weapons.
We both know it isn't because I'm the one missing something in those discussions. If you ever work up the courage to discuss it again, I'm happy to knock you back down where you belong.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:35 pm to PointsInCase
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You know this how?
You said this:
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A militia full of AR-15's, no matter how large, would be no match whatsoever for our government, or the government's of just about every country in the world.
It wasn't all that difficult to figure it out.
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If our democracy/government were truly threatened by armed militias, I can guarantee all available resources would be used. Eventually, collateral damage becomes an inevitability.
You can guarantee it? I'll pass on that. Support this assertion with something more than a guarantee or an uninformed opinion.
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The courts (including the Supreme Court) did not confirm the 2nd amendment pertained to the individual right to bear arms until far after the Bill of Rights were instituted.
This is completely irrelevant to what I said.
I can show you what the men who wrote the words had to say about it if you've never bothered to read them.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:37 pm to LSUgrad08112
Almost everyone. But the NRA has been promoting a perverted interpretation of the Second Amendment for about 30 years in their promotion of gun sellers. They ignore the “well regulated” clause because they want people to think that it doesn’t exist.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:41 pm to TBoy
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They ignore the “well regulated” clause because they want people to think that it doesn’t exist.
Wrong. We simply understand what "well regulated" means. You clearly do not.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:45 pm to LSUgrad08112
I'm a modernist. I don't believe in living my life off a piece of parchment written hundreds of years ago and I damn sure don't consider any written document sacred.
It's amazing how brain washed you guys have become to believe the 2A is the most important thing in America---so important you guys are willing to die for it. This is really sort of a second religion to you guys.
Also, the majority of the world seems to get along pretty well without a 2A type right.
It's amazing how brain washed you guys have become to believe the 2A is the most important thing in America---so important you guys are willing to die for it. This is really sort of a second religion to you guys.
Also, the majority of the world seems to get along pretty well without a 2A type right.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 5:43 am
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:51 pm to The_Duke
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It's amazing how brain washed you guys have become to believe the 2A is the most important thing in the America---so important you guys are willing to die for it.
You should consider yourself fortunate that better men and women than you are willing to do just that.
You're welcome in advance.
I'm also quoting this, since you decided to get rid of it:
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I liking it to jackass in the hood who are willing to kill/die for a gold chain. This is really sort of a second religion to you guys.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I liking it to jackass in the hood who are willing to kill/die for a gold chain. This is really sort of a second religion to you guys.
I got rid of it cause I knew it would get misconstrued in a thread of this demographic but they way Repubs are brain washed to love their country, preach patriotism and are willing to die for their country. Dudes in hood are the same way it's just on a minor scale. They have the same pride for their hood as one in here might have for America and they are willing to die/kill for their hood/block/gang. And the gold chain---I'm sure you've heard many of songs referencing how they would rather die before they let someone take their chain from them. That line of thinking lines right up with the common phrase repubs use about dying before you take my guns.
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You should consider yourself fortunate that better men and women than you are willing to do just that.
and no I'm not---it's words on a piece of paper. If someone has the power to use our government against us militarily, I'm sure they wouldn't stop after reading a piece of paper.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:05 pm to The_Duke
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I'ma a modernist. i don't believe in living my life on a piece of parchment written hundreds of years ago and I damn sure don't consider any written document scared.
Well, luckily for us, we live in a nation of laws and that old piece of parchment absolutely does dictate certain parameters of your life. If you don't like it, you can try to change it.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:06 pm to The_Duke
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I got rid of it cause I knew it would get misconstrued in a thread of this demographic but they way Repubs are brain washed to love their country, preach patriotism and are willing to die for their country. Dudes in hood are the same way it's just on a minor scale. They have the same pride for their hood as one in here might have for America and they are willing to die/kill for their hood/block/gang. And the gold chain---I'm sure you've heard many of songs referencing how they would rather die before they let some take their chain from them. and that lines right up with the common phrase repubs use about dying before you take my guns.
Right. You got rid of it because it makes you look like a dumbass. I'm just making sure no one missed it.
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and no I'm not---it's words on a piece of paper. If someone has the power to use our government against the us militarily, I'm sure a piece of paper wouldn't stop after reading a piece of paper.
It isn't that piece of paper that gives the people power. It's the words and ideas that formed those words. The freedoms that we're granted because of that piece of paper make us stronger than the government. If you don't know that, cool, but that doesn't make you less wrong.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:06 pm to Tigerlaff
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Well, luckily for us, we live in a nation of laws and that old piece of parchment absolutely does dictate certain parameters of your life. If you don't like it, you can try to change it.
and that's what this entire discussion is about.
(sorry--I can't type to save my life)
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Right. You got rid of it because it makes you look like a dumbass. I'm just making sure no one missed it.
No I got rid of it because I knew old white guys in here wouldn't get the reference or couldn't believe they are brain washed in the same vain ignorant hood youths are. What's the difference in having a mentality that's it's ok and noble to die for your hood vs dying for you country?
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:12 pm to The_Duke
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No I got rid of it because I knew old white guys in here wouldn't get the reference or couldn't believe they are brain washed in the same vain ignorant hood youths are.
You got rid of it because it's a stupid point and you knew it. That's why you try changing it, as follows...
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What's the difference in having a mentality that's it's ok and noble to die for your hood vs diying for you country?
You said "I liking it to jackass in the hood who are willing to kill/die for a gold chain." So now they're willing to kill and die for their hood instead? Neither are great points, but which one are you wanting to stick with?
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:12 pm to The_Duke
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I'm a modernist. I don't believe in living my life on a piece of parchment written hundreds of years ago and I damn sure don't consider any written document scared.
so freedom of speech is nothing more than words on a piece of parchment too, right?
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Also, the majority of the world seems to get along pretty well without a 2A type right.
then amend the Constitution
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