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re: How do so many Americans have a fundamental misunderstanding of the 2nd amendment?
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:28 pm to LSUgrad08112
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:28 pm to LSUgrad08112
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The entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to allow the citizens of the United States to compete with a government equipped fighting force, and we need AR-15’s to do that.
A militia full of AR-15's, no matter how large, would be no match whatsoever for our government, or the government's of just about every country in the world. If we are to interpret the amendment by the logic presented above, there should not be any weapons that civilians cannot own. Period. This would include chemical weapons and nuclear warheads. Otherwise, the government would have tremendously more leverage/power.
Just for clarity, I'm not suggesting civilians should or should not be able to own any weapon in the world. I'm simply pointing out that the logic presented in your post is not sound, and does not hold up to even a minimum amount of scrutiny.
Lastly, the original intent of the 2nd amendment was to give states the right to armed militias (which was later interpreted by the courts to mean people arming themselves). The amendment was partially about the use of militias as a slave control tool. The other options on the table would have caused more problems, so this amendment "balanced out" the concerns from both sides. Suggesting that the founding father created the 2nd amendment primarily so that a bunch of civilians could arm themselves and overthrow the federal government was not really a big part of the equation.
The main reason people want gun control is because the two main reasons researchers believe mass shootings, especially at schools, are so prevalent is due to the following two factors:
[1] the higher desire for fame in the U.S. than elsewhere
[2] the ease of access to guns, the gun culture, and the large number of guns in circulation
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 7:37 pm
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:30 pm to LSUgrad08112
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The entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to allow the citizens of the United States to compete with a government equipped fighting force,
Further driving home your point: The entire purpose of the whole damned Bill of Rights was that a majority of the states feared a powerful central government and would not ratify the Constitution without the Bill of Rights.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:33 pm to PointsInCase
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A militia full of AR-15's, no matter how large, would be no match whatsoever for our government, or the government's of just about every country in the world.
You've never been in combat.
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If we are to interpret the amendment by the logic presented above, there should not be any weapons that civilians cannot own. Period. This would include chemical weapons and nuclear warheads. Otherwise, the government would have tremendously more leverage/power.
That's not correct. The right of self-defense is at the core, including defense against our government. This does not include chemical or nuclear weapons, hopefully for obvious reasons.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:36 pm to BamaAtl
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It's not about access, it's about legality. I'm not allowed to have access to that particular type of arms, and you're fine with it. Why are you fine with that, but not with gun control laws that can save lives?
It's already been established that you're talking about a fantasy. Move along.
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Because they're not, and to think otherwise is to betray a profound ignorance on the subject.
So you want to restrict AR's because they're effective at controlling multiple people at once, but they don't have a practical use for homeowners who could possibly be attacked by multiple people at once? Having your home invaded by 3+ people is infinitely more likely than what happened in Florida. You're the one who's profoundly ignorant on this subject, libtard.
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Gun control doesn't hurt conservatives, it will save their lives.
False
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I'm glad you're not in the military any more, it'd be scary to think that you have an actual job instead of collecting unemployment from St Bernard Parish.
Again, I'll personally guarantee that I have more money, a nicer house, a nicer car, and a hotter girlfriend in addition to being smarter than you, Taco Bell janitor. I'll be glad to meet you in real life next time I'm in your crime ridden shithole city to prove it if you'd like to make a throwaway email and post it here so we can make the arrangement!
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:42 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's not a set of beliefs
It absolutely is a set of beliefs. An incorrect one, at that.
As we've just shown.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It is absolutely incomplete.
Not in the sense you mean.
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We can go over it. Again.
You really aren't capable of contributing to any honest analysis of it, so why waste both our time? You lack the tools, and you're not exactly going to pick them up in the near future.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:45 pm to BamaAtl
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I like reminding them that their belief that the 2nd Amendment is absolute is built on a throne of lies.
very few people think it's absolute
the 2nd Amendment is HEAVILY regulated
people are against more regulation
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:45 pm to BamaAtl
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You really aren't capable of contributing to any honest analysis of it, so why waste both our time? You lack the tools, and you're not exactly going to pick them up in the near future
Pot meet kettle. The only tools at your disposal are logical fallacies and pleas to emotion.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:45 pm to BamaAtl
quote:I truly love the level of douche you bring to e very post it's Olympic class.
You really aren't capable of contributing to any honest analysis of it, so why waste both our time? You lack the tools, and you're not exactly going to pick them up in the near future.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:46 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You've never been in combat.
You know this how?
If our democracy/government were truly threatened by armed militias, I can guarantee all available resources would be used. Eventually, collateral damage becomes an inevitability.
quote:The courts (including the Supreme Court) did not confirm the 2nd amendment pertained to the individual right to bear arms until far after the Bill of Rights were instituted.
That's not correct. The right of self-defense is at the core, including defense against our government. This does not include chemical or nuclear weapons, hopefully for obvious reasons.
In United States v. Miller (1939), the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment did not protect weapon types not having a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia".
In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision that held the amendment protects an individual right to possess and carry firearms.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:46 pm to LSUgrad08112
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It's already been established that you're talking about a fantasy
Just the world as it is. The NRA telling you that's a fantasy doesn't make it so, champ.
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So you want to restrict AR's
Not my argument.
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False
See: Vegas
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I'll be glad to meet you in real life next time I'm in your crime ridden shithole city
At least you're willing to admit that you're out of your depth. So many here just plod on, completely unaware that they're dumb as frick. You, sir, have found your truth.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:46 pm to PointsInCase
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The main reason people want gun control is because the two main reasons researchers believe mass shootings, especially at schools, are so prevalent is due to the following two factors:
[1] the higher desire for fame in the U.S. than elsewhere
[2] the ease of access to guns, the gun culture, and the large number of guns in circulation
So researchers feel that access to guns and the desire to be a pop culture icon plays a bigger part in deranged lunatics deciding to kill large amounts of innocent people than, say, the massive amount of SSRI's being pumped into our population combined with the fact that it costs about $500 to talk to a shrink for an hour? Doesn't sound to me like you're reading very credible studies.
And if fame is such an issue, then why aren't you people lobbying to silence CNN and Fox News from plastering every attack all over every TV screen in America? NO ONE gets a tangible benefit from that, aside from rich TV execs, unlike firearms. Why not start with mental health, greedy TV networks, and other common issues, then move along to gun laws? Why start with them? Because you don't want to help anyone, you want to spite conservatives.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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very few people think it's absolute
The guy who started this thread damn sure does. As does our little sick buddy beer-jeep.
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the 2nd Amendment is HEAVILY regulated
It's LIGHTLY regulated compared to gun regulations in other comparable countries. EXTREMELY LIGHTLY regulated.
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people are against more regulation
And in favor of more deaths. I know, we've been over this earlier in the thread.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:47 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Rex level statement.
At least you're willing to admit that you're out of your depth. So many here just plod on, completely unaware that they're dumb as frick. You, sir, have found your truth.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:48 pm to BamaAtl
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Not my argument.
Then why don't you tell the class what your argument is, very clearly.
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So many here just plod on, completely unaware that they're dumb as frick
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completely unaware that they're dumb as frick
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dumb as frick
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BamaAtl
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:48 pm to LSUgrad08112
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massive amount of SSRI's being pumped into our population
DING DING DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:49 pm to LSUgrad08112
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So researchers feel that access to guns and the desire to be a pop culture icon plays a bigger part in deranged lunatics deciding to kill large amounts of innocent people than, say, the massive amount of SSRI's being pumped into our population combined with the fact that it costs about $500 to talk to a shrink for an hour?
Yes. Though to be fair, none of the people who are against gun control have any sort of rational position on expanding mental health coverage or making it more affordable.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:50 pm to LSUgrad08112
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Then why don't you tell the class what your argument is, very clearly.
Fewer guns mean fewer gun deaths. Stricter gun laws result in fewer guns.
It's really pretty simple, as life-saving arguments go.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:50 pm to BamaAtl
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The guy who started this thread damn sure does. As does our little sick buddy beer-jeep.
he's speaking of the founder's beliefs
they believed that the population should have access to the same weaponry to prevent authoritarianism
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It's LIGHTLY regulated compared to gun regulations in other comparable countries.
irrelevant. our laws differ from those countries, so that comparison is meaningless.
which of these countries has a 2nd Amendment limiting their governments?
name me a fundamental right from the words of our Constitution regulated as much as the 2nd Amendment
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And in favor of more deaths.
nope
no matter how many times you scream those lies at the sky, it's still not true
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:50 pm to BamaAtl
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And in favor of more deaths. I know, we've been over this earlier in the thread.
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