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re: How do I convince my parents (specifically my mom) that Israel is not some great ally
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:49 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:49 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Well, I would convince her that she raised a dipshit.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:52 am to BCreed1
I’m not an alter lol, why would someone put so much info on the bio of an alter. Besides my God is a Jewish carpenter, and I was quoting the writings of Saint Paul another Jew. But I guess reading the Bible and not being Israel first means I hate Jews lol
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:52 am to mtb010
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Well, I would convince her that she raised a dipshit.
He's just young and ignorant.
I thought my father was the smartest man alive until I was 17 to 25ish. In those years I thought he was the most ignorant man. Then real world hit and I realized... the man was not ignorant, he was indeed smart.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:52 am to JesusSaves777
You are an alter. Period.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:53 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Tell her Isreal is the 51rst state.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:53 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
How did your mom raise such a moron?
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:54 am to NIH
3 day war 1967 comes to mind.
This post was edited on 10/22/24 at 11:55 am
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:54 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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My mother is a deeply religious Baptist, and for some dumbass reason she believes that it’s Americas job basically to protect Israel for the Jews. She always says some dumb shite about how they’re gods chosen people
She's absolutely correct.
Christians agree with your Mom....the heathens will align with you!
And...why does it bother/cost you what your Mom, or any other Christian believes? Calm down Scooter
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:54 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
You sound like a shitty son. But that’s not really. The purpose of this thread.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:55 am to BCreed1
Keep crying alter while ignoring my arguments buddy
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:56 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
As a man called to preach nigh 40 years I get the confusion lay men have on this, I really do. But it was all a part of God's plan to reach the whole world. The Messiah had to be birthed via a CALLED OUT PEOPLES, Abraham was giving all the promises of a coming Kingdom Age, where the Messiah would rule in Israel. Their problem was they only saw the Conquering King scriptures, not the meekly lamb scriptures, its now called a confirmation bias.
God knew Israel after 1500 years would never truly turn from The Law of Moses, but THE PROMISE came 430 years before THE LAW was given to Moses, so the promise is and was the original covenant, Abraham was made righteous simply because HE BELIVED God. So, Salvation can only come by FAITH ALONE, not by any actions we take per se, accept excepting that Jesus alone is our Righteousness.
Israel would not accept this the Law was more important to them than God, this they rejected God in the flesh, Jesus, a perfect man. But God has a PLAN. It was called the Pax Romanus, and God used that to spread the Gospel unto the whole world, God had to reach the Gentiles with this Messiah via the Disciples, then they could reach the world. So, how was that possible? All roads lead to Rome, with a Beast City like Rome, every person, even the Disciples were considered Roman Citizens, and thus had free travel throughout the whole kingdom as taxpayers. The whole kingdom basically spoke one language, Koine Greek, so the Disciples via this common language could spread the Gospel and eventually, the Church delivered the MORTAL WOUND of Rev. 13 to the Beast (Rome) and she became a Conveyor Belt of the Gospel unto the whole world. So, God knew just when to send Jesus and just how to spread the Gospel, he knew the world would never accept this from one nation, Israel, but he knew they could evangelize Gentiles and they could spread this truth.
Then, in the end times in Ezekiel, it is Prophesied in chapter 37 that God would revive these dead men's bones, which were dead for nigh 2000 years, but He would do so with them SPIRITUALLY DEAD, (they have NO BREATH in them) and its up to us the Church to show them the truths of God which will eventually, after the pre trib rapture lead them back unto God, JUST BEFORE God's Wrath falls (Apophis DOTL Asteroid will hit on April 13, 2029).
In Zech. 13:8-9 we see that 1/3 of Israel repents and 2/3 refuses to do so and will perish/die at the hands of the Anti-Christ. The 1/3 will flee into the Petra/Bozrah area where God the Father protects them. Then in the very next verse (Zech. 14:1) we see the Day of the Lord (God's Wrath) ARRIVES so Israel repents THEN God's Wrath falls. Then 1260 das later in vs. 3 Jesus sets foot on the Mt. of Olives and splits it into. From that point on Jesus will be ruling for 1000 years on David's Thrones during the Kingdom Age. Christian will not be on earth for that, EXCEPT for those that Rev. 20:4 say were killed during the 70th week by not taking the Mark of the Beast, it says SPECIFICALLY, that only those Martyrs will live and reign with Christ for 1000 years. Meaning the rest of us return to Heaven, to IMHO, finish of the New Jerusalem/Ne Earth, after all as it descends it is called the Bride of Christ. Jesus is God the Redeemer, he spoke creation, he spoke victory at Armageddon, he does not need billions of people with Glorious bodies ruling on earth with him, that would not be productive.
So, God gave us three phases, 1.) Israel birthing the Messiah 2.) The Church Age where any and all men of any and all nations could be a part of the Bride of Christ including Jews, the Jews were just blinded IN PART (meaning as a Nation) until the Time of the Gentiles [SERVICE unto God] came in full (Rapture), then they would SEE AGAIN, how? By reading our testimonials to what was going to come before it came AND because God sends back Elijah and (IMHO) Moses to preach repentance. So, 5 Million Jews repent and accept THEIR Messiah, their eyes as a Nation are opened once again. Then Jesus returns and rules 1000 years on the Throne of David. This a the TESTIMONIAL that condemns Satan. He ruled the whole earth (Babylon) for 6000 years, we saw murders, hate, wars, perverts, etc. etc. but under Christ for 1000 years the Lamb will be able to lie down with the Lion and there will be NO WARS, NO GREED, NO HATE and that will condemn Satan to his eternal fate.
God knew Israel after 1500 years would never truly turn from The Law of Moses, but THE PROMISE came 430 years before THE LAW was given to Moses, so the promise is and was the original covenant, Abraham was made righteous simply because HE BELIVED God. So, Salvation can only come by FAITH ALONE, not by any actions we take per se, accept excepting that Jesus alone is our Righteousness.
Israel would not accept this the Law was more important to them than God, this they rejected God in the flesh, Jesus, a perfect man. But God has a PLAN. It was called the Pax Romanus, and God used that to spread the Gospel unto the whole world, God had to reach the Gentiles with this Messiah via the Disciples, then they could reach the world. So, how was that possible? All roads lead to Rome, with a Beast City like Rome, every person, even the Disciples were considered Roman Citizens, and thus had free travel throughout the whole kingdom as taxpayers. The whole kingdom basically spoke one language, Koine Greek, so the Disciples via this common language could spread the Gospel and eventually, the Church delivered the MORTAL WOUND of Rev. 13 to the Beast (Rome) and she became a Conveyor Belt of the Gospel unto the whole world. So, God knew just when to send Jesus and just how to spread the Gospel, he knew the world would never accept this from one nation, Israel, but he knew they could evangelize Gentiles and they could spread this truth.
Then, in the end times in Ezekiel, it is Prophesied in chapter 37 that God would revive these dead men's bones, which were dead for nigh 2000 years, but He would do so with them SPIRITUALLY DEAD, (they have NO BREATH in them) and its up to us the Church to show them the truths of God which will eventually, after the pre trib rapture lead them back unto God, JUST BEFORE God's Wrath falls (Apophis DOTL Asteroid will hit on April 13, 2029).
In Zech. 13:8-9 we see that 1/3 of Israel repents and 2/3 refuses to do so and will perish/die at the hands of the Anti-Christ. The 1/3 will flee into the Petra/Bozrah area where God the Father protects them. Then in the very next verse (Zech. 14:1) we see the Day of the Lord (God's Wrath) ARRIVES so Israel repents THEN God's Wrath falls. Then 1260 das later in vs. 3 Jesus sets foot on the Mt. of Olives and splits it into. From that point on Jesus will be ruling for 1000 years on David's Thrones during the Kingdom Age. Christian will not be on earth for that, EXCEPT for those that Rev. 20:4 say were killed during the 70th week by not taking the Mark of the Beast, it says SPECIFICALLY, that only those Martyrs will live and reign with Christ for 1000 years. Meaning the rest of us return to Heaven, to IMHO, finish of the New Jerusalem/Ne Earth, after all as it descends it is called the Bride of Christ. Jesus is God the Redeemer, he spoke creation, he spoke victory at Armageddon, he does not need billions of people with Glorious bodies ruling on earth with him, that would not be productive.
So, God gave us three phases, 1.) Israel birthing the Messiah 2.) The Church Age where any and all men of any and all nations could be a part of the Bride of Christ including Jews, the Jews were just blinded IN PART (meaning as a Nation) until the Time of the Gentiles [SERVICE unto God] came in full (Rapture), then they would SEE AGAIN, how? By reading our testimonials to what was going to come before it came AND because God sends back Elijah and (IMHO) Moses to preach repentance. So, 5 Million Jews repent and accept THEIR Messiah, their eyes as a Nation are opened once again. Then Jesus returns and rules 1000 years on the Throne of David. This a the TESTIMONIAL that condemns Satan. He ruled the whole earth (Babylon) for 6000 years, we saw murders, hate, wars, perverts, etc. etc. but under Christ for 1000 years the Lamb will be able to lie down with the Lion and there will be NO WARS, NO GREED, NO HATE and that will condemn Satan to his eternal fate.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:56 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
“How can I get her to understand how stupid she sounds”
What you need to understand is you need to respect her religious beliefs.She’s your mother for goodness sakes.
Besides,arguing religion with anyone is a waste of time and only creates a rift where there doesn’t need to be one.
My father’s family were deeply religious Catholics and I was raised Catholic.There were several aspects of the Catholic religion I didn’t believe but I had enough sense to keep it to myself.After I left home and got on my own I quit it.Eventually I became a Baptist but I damned sure didn’t try to convince any of my Catholic relatives they were wrong.
I have friends that converted to Catholicism but I never speak ill of it or try to convince them they’re wrong.
Only Catholics I have a problem with and argue are those that claim to be devout Catholics but yet vote for politicians that support and advocate for abortion.I tell them quickly they’re hypocrites.
What you need to understand is you need to respect her religious beliefs.She’s your mother for goodness sakes.
Besides,arguing religion with anyone is a waste of time and only creates a rift where there doesn’t need to be one.
My father’s family were deeply religious Catholics and I was raised Catholic.There were several aspects of the Catholic religion I didn’t believe but I had enough sense to keep it to myself.After I left home and got on my own I quit it.Eventually I became a Baptist but I damned sure didn’t try to convince any of my Catholic relatives they were wrong.
I have friends that converted to Catholicism but I never speak ill of it or try to convince them they’re wrong.
Only Catholics I have a problem with and argue are those that claim to be devout Catholics but yet vote for politicians that support and advocate for abortion.I tell them quickly they’re hypocrites.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:57 am to NIH
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In what way are they a great ally? Be specific
In what way is any country a great ally? We're the greatest nation in the history of humanity. Any of our allies will take more than they give, and we can survive and thrive without them.
Specific to Israel, they are an ally in a region filled with bad actors and enemies. We share intelligence. The strength of their military and intelligence agencies reduces the amount of American boots that are necessary in the middle east.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:58 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
They're God's chosen people until Nov 6th.
You can argue about it with her all you want at Thanksgiving.
You can argue about it with her all you want at Thanksgiving.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:01 pm to Old Money
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Israel was granted "major non-NATO ally" status in 1989, giving it access to expanded weapons systems and opportunities to bid on U.S. defense contracts. The United States maintained grant aid to Israel at $3 billion annually and implemented a free trade agreement in 1985.
Why have all of our major conflicts been in the middle east since this great patnership was established? It seems like an interesting coincidence. There are plenty of other resource rich nations we could have brought democracy to.
Sure, all of our major conflicts in the Middle East started in 1989... if you overlook a few minor incidents like:
1953 President Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered the CIA to depose Mohammed Mossadegh, the popular, elected leader of the Iranian parliament and an ardent nationalist who opposed British and American influence in Iran.
1958, 1,700 U.S. Marines stormed the beaches of Beirut.
1973 The Yom Kippur War brings United States and USSR to brink of conflict
1979 Iranian students backed by the new regime took 63 Americans at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran hostage.
1982 U.S. Marines deployed to Lebanon
1983 U.S. Embassy in Beirut bombing kills 63 people. Beirut barracks bombing killed 241 American soldiers.
1986 Iran-Contra Affair revealed that President Ronald Reagan's administration had secretly negotiated arms-for-hostages deals with Iran
1980-89 Reagan administration supported Saddam Hussein in the 1980–1988 Iran-Iraq War. The administration provided logistical and intelligence support, believing wrongly that Saddam could destabilize the Iranian regime and defeat the Islamic Revolution.
Things were going just swimmingly until that pesky 1989 alliance.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:01 pm to 632627
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The partnership was established around the same time the controlling Ottoman empire fell and the world has been more and more reliant on the fossil fuels, which are abundant in the middle east. Seems like coincidence rather than causality.
I agree w/ the abundance of fossil fuels but there were two decades between the creation of modern Israel and the Ottoman collapse, and many more decades between the US and Israel becoming "allies".
We were not close with Israel until Six Day War in 1967. When Israel was founded we recognized them but support was limited due to concerns of alienating Arab nations. This relationship with them is a very modern construct. You can go back to the 80s and 90s and listen to politicians being cautious about Israel. Now? Not so much w/ AIPAC $$. Just look at the Netanyahu speech to congress. That was... interesting. I think there is more to this than you and others may believe. They have a lot of influence in our government.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:09 pm to Lightning
Yeah. They’re an ally not a great ally. Not our no.1 ally. Since it’s pretty much just a one way street. What support do they give us? Other than giving us Epstein to diddle our kids with some of our top politicians in order to compromise them and get them on the take?
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:10 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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My mother is a deeply religious Baptist,
good for her.. whats that got to do with the price of tea in China?
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and for some dumbass reason she believes that it’s Americas job basically to protect Israel for the Jews
Israel can pretty much protect itself and has done so for a long as time.. I suggest the a little reading on the 6 day way..
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She always says some dumb shite about how they’re gods chosen people even though she’s not even a fricking Jew. How can I get her to understand how stupid she sounds?
You should listen to yourself talking about you own mother for Gods sake..
You sound like a petulant fricking child .. Your parents are definitely smarter than you..
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:11 pm to bluedragon
quote:the Brit’s followed us. As did Canada. I’d put them higher on our list of Allie’s than Israel
Why follow our stupidity into Viet Nam or Korea? Iraq, for what reason? Afghanistan who nobody has survived tribal warfare
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:11 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:I didn’t realize he was an Israeli?
Other than giving us Epstein
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