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re: How did pulling out of Paris help Russia/Putin?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:04 am to Minden tiger
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:04 am to Minden tiger
quote:So, China will now actually decrease its output since we left?
I think China will jump at the chance to make European Nations more dependent on them and less on us.
I think that is a bigger positive than anything else the accord had to offer.
Leaving actually was a good thing then.
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Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:06 am to Minden tiger
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I just said that's what he has to say, based on extensive knowledge (compared to anyone on this board)
Don't be so sure of that.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:09 am to Clames
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if China had such capability to be a leader on this issue, why were they given such lax treatement in the Paris Accord?
China wasn't "given" anything in the accord. They set their own goals, just like the other countries did.
And China has been a global leader in renewable energy. They currently get around 20% of their energy from renewables. The US gets about 13%. Sure, they're still the world's biggest carbon producer, but they've made a commitment to reduce that. Beijing's last coal burning power plant was recently shut down.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:11 am to Cosmo
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Everything Trump does is at the pleasure of Putin right? So how did this help Russia?
America is perceived as not being a leader. It diminishes our global standing.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:11 am to The Spleen
quote:A massive issue with the accord.
They set their own goals, just like the other countries did.
And that doesn't get me started with the payments each country was expected to make.
Renegotiate with one standard for all countries and minimal transfers of funds between nations.
I see zero reason why the USA should give $100 billion yearly to the climate fund.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 10:19 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:23 am to Scruffy
Can't really argue that. It's far from a perfect deal, and there was nothing stopping Trump from just ignoring it and not keeping up with our commitment to it. Renegotiation was pointless since we set our own goals and commitments.
He did it to one, further erode Obama's legacy, and two, give the Bannon/Miller nationalist wing something to crow about. My opinion is it was a short sighted move with a huge risk of further damaging our diplomatic ties with many allies.
He did it to one, further erode Obama's legacy, and two, give the Bannon/Miller nationalist wing something to crow about. My opinion is it was a short sighted move with a huge risk of further damaging our diplomatic ties with many allies.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:23 am to Minden tiger
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I think China will jump at the chance to make European Nations more dependent on them and less on us.
Again, why would the do so now when they didn't jump on the opportunities in the past when it would have been billions of dollars cheaper to do so then?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:25 am to Scruffy
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I see zero reason why the USA should give $100 billion yearly to the climate fund.
that $100B was a combined contribution between the "rich" countries, no?
*not saying we should have to contribute anything, just asking for clarification
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:26 am to Hawkeye95
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America is perceived as not being a leader. It diminishes our global standing.
And this statement tells me you don't know much about leadership.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:26 am to Minden tiger
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he is a Red-blooded Republican, lives and works in D.C. and is incredibly intelligent/informed on global and domestic policy.
Sounds like an establishment shill to me
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:27 am to Salmon
quote:I think you may be right.
that $100B was a combined contribution between the "rich" countries, no?
I think that nothing should be contributed at all.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:42 am to Minden tiger
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He does this for a living, all I was doing was sharing his thoughts.
If your friend has any role, however small, in how the United States has developed foreign and diplomatic polices in the last 35 years; I don't have the slightest interest in his opinion.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 10:43 am
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