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re: How could an entire Presidential campaign be replaced at this point?

Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:00 pm to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110929 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:00 pm to
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So if this situation was flipped, are you saying that conservatives wouldn’t all vote in lockstep for the replacement?


“Lockstep conservative” voting only gives the Republican candidate maybe like 30%. They got to pull from a lot more than just that.
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
7137 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:01 pm to
After that performance last night everyone will be watching every last twitch that corpse makes and commenting on it immediately and voluminously on social media. So I'm not sure it could really get worse for another candidate than it's going to get for Biden before we get to November. If they keep shooting him up with stimulants he's probably just gonna flop over dead soon anyway.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
20259 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:04 pm to
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They know this country is divided


But it’s not. That’s the gas lighting working. This is not a 50-50 country. Trump wins in an absolute landslide similar to Reagan in a fair election.

The USA is center right and always has been. The media tells you it’s 50-50 so when the filth steals the vote and wins 51-49 your mind has been prepared for it.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28281 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:14 pm to
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hence my two year old prediction that they will do it as late as possible to get the new name on the ballot and present to the nation its longtime sweetheart Michelle


Not gonna happen.

His campaign has raised over $150 million and those funds can only be used him or Kamala.All campaigns run on money and if Biden/Kamala are passed over whoever takes their place would be in a huge hole financially and would have to start from ground zero.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17879 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:28 pm to
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hence my two year old prediction that they will do it as late as possible to get the new name on the ballot and present to the nation its longtime sweetheart Michelle.


Completely agree, Harris will be placed on the Supreme Court, Michelle has enough of a name and stardom power, Barrack will make a great cheerleader and the donors will pour money in, she will walk into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

This scenario has been my fear for some time and after the debate last night I am even more convinced it will happen
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
16709 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 6:35 am to
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So if this situation was flipped, are you saying that conservatives wouldn’t all vote in lockstep for the replacement?


Conservatives are not all committed to voting for the nominees they have now.

If conservatives voted like Democrats they would never lose another election.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476630 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 6:53 am to
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You convince Joe (or maybe Jill) to step down, then you replace the Presidential candidate and keep everything else the same.

Nobody of any value would ever agree to this.

No candidate is going to have an entire campaign apparatus of someone else just forced upon him/her. There has to be synergy in the personnel, strategy, etc. and any major pol already has their inner circle. They're not going to just ditch that inner circle for people they don't mesh with.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19269 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 6:54 am to
when you have the entire media and propaganda machine running it won't be hard.
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
3697 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 6:54 am to
You actually believe or think people are not threatened or bought, don't you?

Well, have a seat and let's talk for a minute or so.
This post was edited on 6/29/24 at 6:56 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476630 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 6:54 am to
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Think newsom would be the replacement.

I don't see why the DEM party or Newsome would agree to this, and waste their best prospect who can get 8 years after Trump.

If they replace Biden, it will be almost impossible for that replacement to win
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476630 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 6:56 am to
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You actually believe or think people are not threatened or bought, don't you?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in Israel?
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
3697 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 6:59 am to
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If they replace Biden, it will be almost impossible for that replacement to win


No. No. No.

You give the establishment a Hail Mary. They think they are back in it with someone new. Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm wrong. They know now if they run Biden they are done. It's their major media outlets dropping Biden off on a corner. Someone has sent word to be done with him.

You can't walk back what Joe Scarborough said about him a day ago.
This post was edited on 6/29/24 at 7:08 am
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
51833 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:05 am to
You think this hadn't been planned behind the scenes already? When they pull the plug the transition will be swift and seamless (almost like they were already planning for it).
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49400 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:14 am to
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The question becomes which hurts the down ballot more: Biden going down in flames or replacing him with all the conflicts/issues


Really depends on the state. In liberal states, it won’t matter but I think leaving Biden on the ballot in purple states is going to kill the DNC.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476630 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:15 am to
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When they pull the plug the transition will be swift and seamless

That is just not possible outside of CT land.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68361 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:20 am to
This doesn't get into all the logistical troubles, just a bit of the who would actually decide.

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Given that the Democratic presidential primaries have concluded, there is no time for voters to replace Biden directly should he decide to step aside. That leaves two options. If Biden steps down between now and the Democratic National Convention, held in Chicago starting on August 19th, the decision to replace him goes to 739 superdelegates and 3,933 pledged delegates — who will go through rounds of voting on the convention floor to select a new stalwart to lead the party as a candidate.

The convention path would lead to an open contest among various factions of the party faithful. The pledged delegates were chosen during the primaries and are composed of a mix of local activists, state party officials, Biden campaign officials, and volunteers. If Biden steps down, his pledged delegates will become unbound, free to back alternative candidates. The new presidential candidate could be anyone. During the 1968 DNC convention, the last brokered convention, delegates chose Hubert Humphrey, who did not even run in the primaries as a candidate.

But if Biden remains on the ticket past the convention, things get a bit more funky. The Democratic National Committee rules state that in the event of a national ticket vacancy, the replacement process falls to an internal committee known as the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee and a set of insiders known as superdelegates.

The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committe and the roster of superdelegates, however, do not fully represent the diversity of the Democratic Party. As I’ve previously reported, the committee is chaired by Minyon Moore, an influential lobbyist who previously served as an aide to Bill and Hillary Clinton and now works at Dewey Square Group. DSG has worked for a variety of corporate interests. Lyft tapped DSG to fight proposals in California and Massachusetts that would force the company to provide benefits and minimum wages to its drivers.

Moore, who is simultaneously serving as the Democratic convention chair in Chicago this year, served as a board member with the Black Lives Matter Foundation, the group that spent $6 million in donations raised after George Floyd's death to purchase a mansion in Los Angeles. Moore’s firm, Dewey Square Group, was also retained by the BLM Foundation in 2020 and 2021 and received over $1.2 million.

James Roosevelt, Jr., the grandson of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, is the other co-chair of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee. He is a registered lobbyist with the law firm Verrill in Boston, Massachusetts, where he guides various healthcare interests. He previously served as the chief executive of the Tufts Health Plan, a health insurance company that is now part of Point32Health.

Jaime Harrison, the chair of the DNC and former corporate lobbyist, spent the last four years retaining and adding corporate advisers as superdelegates, including:

— Bel Leong-Hong, a consultant whose clients have included Lockheed Martin, GE Capital Financial, and ITT Industries.

— Scott M. Brennan, a Des Moines, Iowa attorney who works in the government relations wing of Dentons, the law-lobbying firm. Dentons lobbies on behalf of ByteDance (the parent company of TikTok), J.P. Morgan Chase, and PhRMA, the drug industry group, among other clients.

— Joe Andrew, the former DNC chairman, who now also works at Dentons, and previously served as the law-lobbying firm’s global chairman.

— Dick Gephardt, the former lawmaker, serves as a DNC super delegate, and lobbies on behalf of Boeing and the hedge fund Silver Point Capital.

— William Owen, a Tennessee-based lobbyist who runs a lobbying firm called Asset & Equity Corporation.

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Posted by Tenn grad LSU fan
Woulhuntdn't you like to know spazz
Member since Apr 2023
1143 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:21 am to
All the campaign money is toed up to biden and Harris you would need biden to step down and Harris to transfer the campaign funds to someone else that's alot of if and buts
Posted by Message Board User
Member since Dec 2006
6956 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:49 am to
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All the campaign money is toed up to biden and Harris you would need biden to step down and Harris to transfer the campaign funds to someone else that's alot of if and buts


Kamala being the VP really messes up all these hypothetical plans.

If the Border Czar weren't so incompetent and disliked she'd have assumed the throne already. But she's cringe af.

But you simply cannot, in no world, move Kamala aside and instead nominate Newsome or Shapiro or Gretchen. The GOP ads targeting black voters would write themselves:

"We've told you all along that behind closed doors Democrats hate black people and want you to be kept in your place. And look what happens when the rubber meets the road - the Democrats are allowing a woman of color to be stepped over for the nomination by a white man/woman."
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167325 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:52 am to
The campaign staff is all Obama Clinton Biden tied . They are all the same team, even united with establishment republicans.
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
11402 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 6:38 pm to
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shite they may try to kill him.

They fricked even more if that happens. Kamala becomes president and she won’t go without a fight. They have to do something soon because as time goes on, the states don’t allow for change on the ballots. As it is now, Wisconsin, Nevada and Georgia say it ain’t happening unless death or 25th amendment. Then it’s Kamala running for reelection.
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