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How could a declaration of national emergency be challenged?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:47 pm
Enlighten me, if one is declared, how can they say there isn’t one and stop him from allocating the necessary funds enlighten me, if one is declared, how can they say there isn’t one and stop him from allocating the necessary funds?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:48 pm to Old Sarge
Only one way and thats Orange Man Bad and we all know it
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:48 pm to Old Sarge
The national emergency will be held up in the courts for like a year
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:48 pm to Old Sarge
Since there are STILL about 30 Declarations active as we speak, this "challenge" is dead in the water.
The POTUS absolutely has the authority to do this.
The POTUS absolutely has the authority to do this.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:49 pm to Old Sarge
Even if it can't, they'll find an activist judge somewhere who thinks they can and tie this thing up all the way until the Supremes weigh in. Which could very well be after the 2020 election.
Their plan isn't to win. It's to delay delay delay.
Their plan isn't to win. It's to delay delay delay.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:49 pm to Old Sarge
Trumpkins are very commie like in regard to private property
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:50 pm to Old Sarge
It has to be done. We were told after Reagan gave millions of illegals amnesty that would be the end of this BS....., guess what? The problem is worse than it's ever been.... declare the emergency already.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:50 pm to Old Sarge
He can declare one, but he can't allocate funds for it. Congress has to do that.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:51 pm to Skeezer
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Trumpkins are very commie like in regard to private property
Eminent Domain to protect the sovereignty of the US? Let's do it!!!!
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:51 pm to Old Sarge
irrelevant
they dont need reason, cause or justification. All they want is an injunction, it's their version of a political BDS movement. They'll refer to some obscure, non-applicable law, rush it down to the nutty 9th, and get an injunction
it's just a stall. EVERYTHING is a stall for them, for all they can hope for is a delay till 2020. They dont care about a wall, or a barrier. They dont give 2 fricking shits about illegals, immigration or detention centers. They will oppose purely for the sake of opposing.
they dont need reason, cause or justification. All they want is an injunction, it's their version of a political BDS movement. They'll refer to some obscure, non-applicable law, rush it down to the nutty 9th, and get an injunction
it's just a stall. EVERYTHING is a stall for them, for all they can hope for is a delay till 2020. They dont care about a wall, or a barrier. They dont give 2 fricking shits about illegals, immigration or detention centers. They will oppose purely for the sake of opposing.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:53 pm to 9Fiddy
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Even if it can't, they'll find an activist judge somewhere who thinks they can and tie this thing up all the way until the Supremes weigh in. Which could very well be after the 2020 election.
Their plan isn't to win. It's to delay delay delay.
It is a great time for the SCOTUS to end activist judges
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:53 pm to Skeezer
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Trumpkins are very commie like in regard to private property
You talking about the eminent domain thing?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:53 pm to mmcgrath
You need to re-read 284 baw.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:55 pm to Old Sarge
The smart thing to do would be to challenge it through the 5th circuit courts before declaring, which is conservative now and have them rule that he DOES have the authority to do it.
They will overturn it, he would then have a ruling on it already, and then declare that mofo and watch them fight it out.
It would expedite the process and only take a few months instead of years, and he would get the $ in the meantime to start to build it.
Trump knows what he's doing, he tried via congress, they (both sides) fricked him, so he's taking the money, starting to build it, and then declaring.
Building will never stop, and once the emergency goes over he gets the entire money for the wall from end to end and the dems look like assholes.
They will overturn it, he would then have a ruling on it already, and then declare that mofo and watch them fight it out.
It would expedite the process and only take a few months instead of years, and he would get the $ in the meantime to start to build it.
Trump knows what he's doing, he tried via congress, they (both sides) fricked him, so he's taking the money, starting to build it, and then declaring.
Building will never stop, and once the emergency goes over he gets the entire money for the wall from end to end and the dems look like assholes.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:55 pm to Old Sarge
Your question is really 2 questions/issues. The statute (NEA) doesn't really define the emergency. Rather, when the President declares a national emergency, powers or authorities made available by the statute for use in the event of an emergency shall be exercised unless and until the President specifies the provisions of law under which he proposes that he, or other officers will act. I suppose that would be some provision related to the mandate of DHS. The 2nd issue is more of a separation of powers question relating to the appropriation process.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:56 pm to Old Sarge
Are we seeing the lowest illegal immigration numbers in 45 years?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:30 pm to Old Sarge
"(Chief Justice)John Marshall has made his ruling, now let him enforce it." - Andrew Jackson, President of The United States. The authenticity of the quote is dubious at best, but it reflects what I can imagine was Jackson's attitude on the Court's mandates, for better or worse. It's ultimately a question of the separation of power. Only the People can decide whether it's intact or not. Should the President have the power to "declare an emergency" and have sweeping unilateral power? It's debatable. It seems intuitive to me that a chief executive that doesn't have such power to act in some cases without the approval of the other two branches isn't an executive at all. The democrats have ZERO principals. Human life? Meh. The Republic? Meh. Mr. President, you have to do what you have to do, come ruin or rapture. We are past the point of reasoned disagreement.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:32 pm to Old Sarge
All the statute says is the President must periodically transmit to Congress “a report on the total expenditures incurred by the United States Government ... which are directly attributable to the exercise of powers and authorities conferred by such declaration.” The statute applies to “declared national emergency statutes” (i.e., those statutes in other areas of the US Code) as well other situations. There’s an opinion from DOJ OLC citing a case that otherwise it would violate the basic principle that “[a] statute should be construed so that effect is given to all its provisions, so that no part will be inoperative or superfluous, void or insignificant.”
It’s important to point out that the above ties into the ability to reprogram funds from the CoE as provided in the Army Civil Works law: In the event of a declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act [50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.] that requires or may require use of the Armed Forces, the Secretary (of the Army), without regard to any other provision of law, may (1) terminate or defer the construction, operation, maintenance, or repair of any Department of the Army civil works project that he deems not essential to the national defense, and (2) apply the resources of the Department of the Army’s civil works program, including funds, personnel, and equipment, to construct or assist in the construction, operation, maintenance, and repair of authorized civil works, military construction, and civil defense projects that are essential to the national defense.
It’s important to point out that the above ties into the ability to reprogram funds from the CoE as provided in the Army Civil Works law: In the event of a declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act [50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.] that requires or may require use of the Armed Forces, the Secretary (of the Army), without regard to any other provision of law, may (1) terminate or defer the construction, operation, maintenance, or repair of any Department of the Army civil works project that he deems not essential to the national defense, and (2) apply the resources of the Department of the Army’s civil works program, including funds, personnel, and equipment, to construct or assist in the construction, operation, maintenance, and repair of authorized civil works, military construction, and civil defense projects that are essential to the national defense.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:39 pm to Old Sarge
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Enlighten me, if one is declared, how can they say there isn’t one and stop him from allocating the necessary funds enlighten me, if one is declared, how can they say there isn’t one and stop him from allocating the necessary funds?
Is there an echo in here?
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