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re: How can you possibly deny that healthcare is a human right?
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:24 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:24 pm to tiggerthetooth
Lots of places you can move to. Pick one.
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:25 pm to tiggerthetooth
Not sure about a right, but everybody can get healthcare. Break your arm somebody will fix it. Catch on fire somebody will fix it or at least attempt to. Get the flu somebody will fix it. It doesnt matter how much money you have.
Bernie wants the power to control how you get these services because he knows better.
Bernie wants the power to control how you get these services because he knows better.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:26 pm to Centinel
so you disagree with Gideon? "assistance of counsel" sure sounds like another's labor to me
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:26 pm to TigerRad
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curious how you reconcile that
I'm sure someone has asked you this, but what are you relying on a "health care" analog to 6th amendment rights?
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:27 pm to TigerRad
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so you disagree with Gideon?
Yes.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:28 pm to tiggerthetooth
And where does everyone go when they need the best healthcare in the world???
/end thread.
/end thread.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:29 pm to TigerRad
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How about a defense attorney?
That is a constitutional right and it is a RIGHT to have one. The Gov simply pays a bad one to represent you if you can't afford it. But, that isn't nearly the same thing. That "right" is ONLY in a CRIMINAL case. Meaning the Gov is about to TAKE your rights from you and imprison you. It is to defend from a bad faith GOV action.
You don't have a "right" to an attorney because you made poor choices and it is going to cost you (civil suit). This healthcare "right" 'defends' you from your own poor choices (eating donuts and pizza every day or NOT purchasing insurance). You can BUY the healthcare you want.
If you show me that the GOV is about to cause you physical harm or illness, I'll hear your "defense attorney" argument for care in that specific case....ie / repair you from an act by GOV
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:29 pm to McLemore
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but what are you relying on a "health care" analog to 6th amendment rights?
not trying to do that at all
just pointing out that the "there can be no right to the labor of another" reasoning is in contradiction to the 6th, which appears (and has been interpreted) to grant the right to another's labor.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:30 pm to tiggerthetooth
Because $
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:30 pm to TigerRad
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so you disagree with Gideon? "assistance of counsel" sure sounds like another's labor to me
see my last post, please
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:31 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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see my last post, please
But even your post is necessary to refute him. There is nothing about a state provided attorney in the Sixth Amendment.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:31 pm to JayDeerTay84
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What is NOT a right is free shite.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:36 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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see my last post, please
sure i agree with all that
but you didnt address the central question, which is that the 6th (as commonly interpreted) grants the right to another's labor. This fact undermines the big argument being used in this thread.
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The Gov simply pays a bad one to represent you if you can't afford it. But, that isn't nearly the same thing.
yes....but the point is that the attorney the judge appoints ultimately has no choice
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:36 pm to TigerRad
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which is that the 6th (as commonly interpreted) grants the right to another's labor.
Again, it does no such thing.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:38 pm to tiggerthetooth
How many of those countries give us foreign aid?
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:40 pm to Centinel
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Again, it does no such thing.
it says "assistance of counsel"
Your interpretation is perfectly defensible, but you must recognize that youre in a small minority and that ship has sailed long ago.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:40 pm to tiggerthetooth
Not denying it as a right. I deny being forced to pay for those that do not.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:41 pm to TigerRad
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so you disagree with Gideon? "assistance of counsel" sure sounds like another's labor to me
As I pointed out, it actually saves forcing others to donate labor.
You're conflating a practical anomaly for the norm.
Thats it your whole shtick rests on that??
You're not very logical, imo.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:41 pm to tiggerthetooth
Soooo... move there?
Posted on 2/5/20 at 2:41 pm to tiggerthetooth
Because you don't have the right to demand goods and services from other people.
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