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Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:52 pm to EKG
quote:EKG with the thoughtful answer!
And no, I do not happen to believe sex and/or gender can be chosen.
But I do think that for some people, the issue is far more complex than it is for others.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:53 pm to Dale51
quote:
Then you misidentified the point, which was, someones theory of "explanation" based on their preferred understanding based on their "scale" does not make it reality..per se.
I
Did that sound better in your head?
My post concerning the Kinsey Scale, word for word:
quote:
For those of you doggedly defending the "there are only two genders" hill, what do you think about the Kinsey Scale?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:54 pm to Brazos
They aren’t taken seriously, at all. They are attention seeking at best and seriously mentally ill at worst
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:00 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I wasn't suggesting we were.
Then I'm more than willing to concede that many "gender norms" are pretty damned hard wired. The idea that every child wants to play with Barbies just as much as GI Joes and vice versa is absurd. But, I think the popular "conservative" assertion that there's something inherently wrong with a girl playing with GI Joes or a boy playing with Barbies is also absurd.
Many on this thread seem aghast at the idea that someone might naturally display behaviors that aren't commonly associated with their sex. Anyone who does so is "mentally ill".
Now, if people want to discuss the body dismorphia inherent to transexualism, I think that would make for a more interesting discussion. But anyone who doesn't fit the perfect local stereotype for a given sex is mentally ill? Bah.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:00 pm to Brazos
quote:Because they are smarter than you and have a greater understanding of the complex science of in utero biochemistry?
How can people that believe in more than two genders be taken seriously?
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:04 pm to Dale51
quote:Alex, I will take “gibberish” for $500
you misidentified the point, which was, someones theory of "explanation" based on their preferred understanding based on their "scale" does not make it reality..per se.
I
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:05 pm to Brazos
Male
Female
Gay or straight male
Gay or straight female
Anybody trying to change their gender have serious mental and emotional issues.
(And go for it if that’s what you really want)
I’m as open minded as anyone.
BUT
The % of people that want to do this doesn’t even register a blip on the screen.
So go ahead and “change your gender” but stop trying to change bathrooms.
Female
Gay or straight male
Gay or straight female
Anybody trying to change their gender have serious mental and emotional issues.
(And go for it if that’s what you really want)
I’m as open minded as anyone.
BUT
The % of people that want to do this doesn’t even register a blip on the screen.
So go ahead and “change your gender” but stop trying to change bathrooms.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:08 pm to Brazos
quote:
believe
Believe has nothing to do with it.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:09 pm to Rekrul
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I don’t know, why don’t you ask your fricked up political leaders on the left that question? You’re the ones trying to shove this bullshite down normal people’s throats constantly, and allowing taxpayers money to go towards these freaks having sex change operations, etc.
when have I entertained the idea that gender is fluid or chosen? 
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:09 pm to Joshjrn
quote:Yes. I believe individual sexuality can develop and change based on certain relational triggers and is reinforced based on social context.
Is it really your position that everyone's sexual preference is malleable?
Within a particular orientation, sexual attraction changes all the time. What turns a person on changes over time. Some are sexually attracted to others based on non-physical traits like money, position, power, or personality. An otherwise heterosexual male can be sexually attracted to another male who looks like a woman. Some heterosexual males like women with some masculine characteristics. Preferences can change over time, too. Often times a person who historically has liked young, thin, blonde women will find themselves liking average-sized mature brunettes or redhead as they age. An old friend that was exclusively viewed as non-sexual can develop into a sexual partner. Even sexual fetishes evolve over time.
Sexual acts themselves can be performed without sexual attraction present. People in prison who have homosexual sex just to get off; men and women who sleep their way towards career advancement; prostitutes who do it just to make a buck; men wanting to exert power over someone else, etc.
My point is that sexuality is extremely complicated and is heavily influenced by an innumerable number of social factors. I think it is so complex that a simple scale cannot really do it justice.
Gender (as many see it today), on the other hand, is a different matter entirely. It is a subjective feeling based on comparing one's own masculine or feminine attributes against those seen as traditional societal standards. In my opinion, this view of gender is nonsensical and unhelpful. Men and women, boys and girls can have varying levels of masculine or feminine appearances, interests, and traits yet with the exception of a statistical anomaly, people are either biologically male or female. Attempting to suppress who they are based on how they feel is not helpful in society that uses sex/gender in many practical and arguably necessary ways.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:13 pm to Joshjrn
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to argue that there are zero people on this planet who display behaviors that are commonly associated with a gender that is different from their sex.
Ummmm....strawman?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:14 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Yes. I believe individual sexuality can develop and change based on certain relational triggers and is reinforced based on social context.
I'm sure there have been more, but this is the second thread in which I've disagreed with a sizable portion of your position, yet found your posts to be informative, thoughtful, and interesting. Wish there were more like you on here
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:16 pm to Brazos
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Can anyone on here say with a straight face that a person can in fact choose their gender? Save the gender and sex are different argument because that's bs too.
Can anyone on here say with a straight face that they actually care?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:17 pm to Dale51
quote:
Ummmm....strawman?
Nice selective quotation.
quote:
If one accepts that sex and gender are different, it defies both logic and observation to argue that there are zero people on this planet who display behaviors that are commonly associated with a gender that is different from their sex.
Considering you don't accept that sex and gender are different, how could what I said possibly be a strawman for your argument? That portion of my post was simply a rhetorical device to illustrate the distinction between the issues. Do try to keep up.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:18 pm to EKG
te]But when society starts to normalize and embrace the steps taken by institutions such as the university of texas—which chooses to manufacture the idea of “toxic masculinity” as a legitimate mental health issue—I believe it’s a problem.
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I hear you. I guess it's easier for me to ignore ridiculous trends like this because society embraces many things which I find absurd and dangerous, i.e. Causal sex, objectification of people, worship of money and worldly things, etc. The things pose a greater threat than a relative handful of people thinking they have 14 genders or whatever. i
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I hear you. I guess it's easier for me to ignore ridiculous trends like this because society embraces many things which I find absurd and dangerous, i.e. Causal sex, objectification of people, worship of money and worldly things, etc. The things pose a greater threat than a relative handful of people thinking they have 14 genders or whatever. i
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:21 pm to Joshjrn
quote:
For those of you doggedly defending the "there are only two genders" hill, what do you think about the Kinsey Scale?
And?? I answered with what I thought about abstract "scales" superseding reality.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:22 pm to Joshjrn
quote:
Many on this thread seem aghast at the idea that someone might naturally display behaviors that aren't commonly associated with their sex. Anyone who does so is "mentally ill".
What if, perhaps, some people's ability to accept deviations from societal norms are as inate as others' desires to deviate from such societal norms?
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:23 pm to Brazos
They can choose gender like they can race, age, species, or anything else.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:24 pm to Joshjrn
quote:30 point rule
Dale vs Josh
Considering you don't accept that sex and gender are different, how could what I said possibly be a strawman for your argument? That portion of my post was simply a rhetorical device to illustrate the distinction between the issues. Do try to keep up.
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