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re: How can any sane person - now - support Trump over DeSantis?

Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:58 pm to
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:58 pm to
Ask supa if I have any alters left

I’m not lying. You just hoped people would forget what you said way back in 2015-2016.

The internet never forgets.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26307 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:59 pm to
I support him because the dims fear him the most. That means he is best because they want the worst for this country.
Posted by TigerAttorney
Member since Nov 2017
4428 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:59 pm to
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How can any sane person - now - support Trump over DeSantis?

You realize 99% of the country doesn’t melt after every truth Trump puts out? Most people don’t even know what he has said about DeSantis.

He’s shooting across the bow leading into the next cycle. DeSantis is not going to primary Trump down 20 points. He may win a few states, but nobody is beating Trump for the nomination.

Can debate electability in the general, and I would argue no republican’s are electable given the Covid era voting law changes in certain states.

Jesus can be on the Republican ticket and with mail in voting the Dems can steal it.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 2:02 pm
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
30682 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

How can any sane person - now - support Trump

Fixed it for you.

Trump is living in the past, he's approaching 80 years, he's alienated everyone who could work productively with him, and still holds fast to election conspiracies. The man no doubt is still waiting for Lin Wood and Sydney Parker to UNLEASH THE KRAKEN!
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127945 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:01 pm to
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I support him because of his record.




Desantis's record as an Executive is infinitely better.

So...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466130 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:01 pm to
What still exists of Trump's record, exactly?
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:01 pm to
Even if Trump hasn’t lost his mind, we all know how another Trump term would go.
He would make a bunch of shitty cabinet appointments and pretty much nothing would happen.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:03 pm to
The problem is Trump was justified in his attacks on GOPe leading up to primary season and they were met with applause. Most people find his attacks on Desantis to be petty and childish. Trump, as usual, refuses to get out of his own way.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

Desantis's record as an Executive is infinitely better.

So...


Not at all. Not is a side by side either.


Not in the fact that DeSantis has a total control of the State Legislature and Trump did not. Still not even close.





Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127945 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

What still exists of Trump's record, exactly?



I loved his policy of de-regulation, and most of his foreign policy. He did good things for the economy and to promote peace in the world.

But also part of his record is:

Surrounding himself with total shitbags like Bolton and Fauci and Pence and Pompeo

Getting no real lasting significant legislation pushed through and signed into law

Not getting his border wall complete

Alienating so much of the middle that he lost to a corpse

letting Fauci and others run wild and help destroy rights during covid



He's almost 80. Time to go.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127945 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

Not at all. Not is a side by side either.


Wrong

quote:

DeSantis has a total control of the State Legislature


Politicians politick, and obviously Ron's popularity helped with achieving this goal



The disdain for Trump helped the GOP lose both houses.
Posted by GeauxGutsy
Member since Jul 2017
5862 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:08 pm to
Trump lost the boomers in 2020 due to his rhetoric, and now he’s losing Gen X. Thats a recipe for another Biden/Democrat presidency.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

Even if Trump hasn’t lost his mind, we all know how another Trump term would go.
He would make a bunch of shitty cabinet appointments and pretty much nothing would happen.





LOL!


Ok.



America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.

Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.

Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue collar workers – a 16 percent pay increase.
African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.


Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:09 pm to
Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.

Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.
Put in place policies to bring back supply chains from overseas.
Small business optimism broke a 35-year old record in 2018.

Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.

The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020.
The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.

Rebuilding and investing in rural America.

Signed an Executive Order on Modernizing the Regulatory Framework for Agricultural Biotechnology Products, which is bringing innovative new technologies to market in American farming and agriculture.
Strengthened America’s rural economy by investing over $1.3 billion through the Agriculture Department’s ReConnect Program to bring high-speed broadband infrastructure to rural America.

Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.

An October 2020 Gallup survey found 56 percent of Americans said they were better off during a pandemic than four years prior.
During the third quarter of 2020, the economy grew at a rate of 33.1 percent – the most rapid GDP growth ever recorded.
Since coronavirus lockdowns ended, the economy has added back over 12 million jobs, more than half the jobs lost.
Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous administration’s recovery.
Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December, from a pandemic peak of 14.7 percent in April – beating expectations of well over 10 percent unemployment through the end of 2020.
Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent compared to just 3 months for the Trump Administration.
Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 9.6 percent, Asian-American unemployment by 8.6 percent, and Black American unemployment by 6.8 percent.
80 percent of small businesses are now open, up from just 53 percent in April.
Small business confidence hit a new high.
Homebuilder confidence reached an all-time high, and home sales hit their highest reading since December 2006.
Manufacturing optimism nearly doubled.
Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an all-time high.
Home prices hit an all-time record high.
The United States rejected crippling lockdowns that crush the economy and inflict countless public health harms and instead safely reopened its economy.
Business confidence is higher in America than in any other G7 or European Union country.
Stabilized America’s financial markets with the establishment of a number of Treasury Department supported facilities at the Federal Reserve.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:10 pm to
Passed $3.2 trillion in historic tax relief and reformed the tax code.

Signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act – the largest tax reform package in history.
More than 6 million American workers received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to the tax cuts.
A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.
Doubled the standard deduction – making the first $24,000 earned by a married couple completely tax-free.
Doubled the child tax credit.
Virtually eliminated the unfair Estate Tax, or Death Tax.
Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed world – all the way down to 21 percent.
Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
Businesses can now deduct 100 percent of the cost of their capital investments in the year the investment is made.
Since the passage of tax cuts, the share of total wealth held by the bottom half of households has increased, while the share held by the top 1 percent has decreased.
Over 400 companies have announced bonuses, wage increases, new hires, or new investments in the United States.
Over $1.5 trillion was repatriated into the United States from overseas.
Lower investment cost and higher capital returns led to faster growth in the middle class, real wages, and international competitiveness.

Jobs and investments are pouring into Opportunity Zones.

Created nearly 9,000 Opportunity Zones where capital gains on long-term investments are taxed at zero.
Opportunity Zone designations have increased property values within them by 1.1 percent, creating an estimated $11 billion in wealth for the nearly half of Opportunity Zone residents who own their own home.
Opportunity Zones have attracted $75 billion in funds and driven $52 billion of new investment in economically distressed communities, creating at least 500,000 new jobs.
Approximately 1 million Americans will be lifted from poverty as a result of these new investments.
Private equity investments into businesses in Opportunity Zones were nearly 30 percent higher than investments into businesses in similar areas that were not designated Opportunity Zones.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7705 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:10 pm to
Pretty sad all of you former Maga's falling for the same thing you professed to hate; political elite uniparty establishment Republicans.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:10 pm to
Ended the regulatory assault on American Businesses and Workers.

Instead of 2-for-1, we eliminated 8 old regulations for every 1 new regulation adopted.
Provided the average American household an extra $3,100 every year.
Reduced the direct cost of regulatory compliance by $50 billion, and will reduce costs by an additional $50 billion in FY 2020 alone.
Removed nearly 25,000 pages from the Federal Register – more than any other president. The previous administration added over 16,000 pages.
Established the Governors’ Initiative on Regulatory Innovation to reduce outdated regulations at the state, local, and tribal levels.
Signed an executive order to make it easier for businesses to offer retirement plans.
Signed two executive orders to increase transparency in Federal agencies and protect Americans and their small businesses from administrative abuse.
Modernized the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) for the first time in over 40 years.
Reduced approval times for major infrastructure projects from 10 or more years down to 2 years or less.
Helped community banks by signing legislation that rolled back costly provisions of Dodd-Frank.
Established the White House Council on Eliminating Regulatory Barriers to Affordable Housing to bring down housing costs.
Removed regulations that threatened the development of a strong and stable internet.
Eased and simplified restrictions on rocket launches, helping to spur commercial investment in space projects.
Published a whole-of-government strategy focused on ensuring American leadership in automated vehicle technology.
Streamlined energy efficiency regulations for American families and businesses, including preserving affordable lightbulbs, enhancing the utility of showerheads, and enabling greater time savings with dishwashers.
Removed unnecessary regulations that restrict the seafood industry and impede job creation.
Modernized the Department of Agriculture’s biotechnology regulations to put America in the lead to develop new technologies.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
42476 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:11 pm to
Show more respect for #47
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:11 pm to
Successfully rolled back burdensome regulatory overreach.

Rescinded the previous administration’s Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH) rule, which would have abolished zoning for single-family housing to build low-income, federally subsidized apartments.
Issued a final rule on the Fair Housing Act’s disparate impact standard.
Eliminated the Waters of the United States Rule and replaced it with the Navigable Waters Protection Rule, providing relief and certainty for farmers and property owners.
Repealed the previous administration’s costly fuel economy regulations by finalizing the Safer Affordable Fuel Efficient (SAFE) Vehicles rule, which will make cars more affordable, and lower the price of new vehicles by an estimated $2,200.

Americans now have more money in their pockets.

Deregulation had an especially beneficial impact on low-income Americans who pay a much higher share of their incomes for overregulation.
Cut red tape in the healthcare industry, providing Americans with more affordable healthcare and saving Americans nearly 10 percent on prescription drugs.
Deregulatory efforts yielded savings to the medical community an estimated $6.6 billion – with a reduction of 42 million hours of regulatory compliance work through 2021.
Removed government barriers to personal freedom and consumer choice in healthcare.
Once fully in effect, 20 major deregulatory actions undertaken by the Trump Administration are expected to save American consumers and businesses over $220 billion per year.
Signed 16 pieces of deregulatory legislation that will result in a $40 billion increase in annual real incomes.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:11 pm to
Fair and Reciprocal Trade

Secured historic trade deals to defend American workers.

Immediately withdrew from the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).
Ended the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and replaced it with the brand new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA).
The USMCA contains powerful new protections for American manufacturers, auto-makers, farmers, dairy producers, and workers.
The USMCA is expected to generate over $68 billion in economic activity and potentially create over 550,000 new jobs over ten years.
Signed an executive order making it government policy to Buy American and Hire American, and took action to stop the outsourcing of jobs overseas.
Negotiated with Japan to slash tariffs and open its market to $7 billion in American agricultural products and ended its ban on potatoes and lamb.
Over 90 percent of American agricultural exports to Japan now receive preferential treatment, and most are duty-free.
Negotiated another deal with Japan to boost $40 billion worth of digital trade.
Renegotiated the United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement, doubling the cap on imports of American vehicles and extending the American light truck tariff.
Reached a written, fully-enforceable Phase One trade agreement with China on confronting pirated and counterfeit goods, and the protection of American ideas, trade secrets, patents, and trademarks.
China agreed to purchase an additional $200 billion worth of United States exports and opened market access for over 4,000 American facilities to exports while all tariffs remained in effect.
Achieved a mutual agreement with the European Union (EU) that addresses unfair trade practices and increases duty-free exports by 180 percent to $420 million.
Secured a pledge from the EU to eliminate tariffs on American lobster – the first United States-European Union negotiated tariff reduction in over 20 years.
Scored a historic victory by overhauling the Universal Postal Union, whose outdated policies were undermining American workers and interests.
Engaged extensively with trade partners like the EU and Japan to advance reforms to the World Trade Organization (WTO).
Issued a first-ever comprehensive report on the WTO Appellate Body’s failures to comply with WTO rules and interpret WTO agreements as written.
Blocked nominees to the WTO’s Appellate Body until WTO Members recognize and address longstanding issues with Appellate Body activism.
Submitted 5 papers to the WTO Committee on Agriculture to improve Members’ understanding of how trade policies are implemented, highlight areas for improved transparency, and encourage members to maintain up-to-date notifications on market access and domestic support.

Took strong actions to confront unfair trade practices and put America First.

Imposed tariffs on hundreds of billions worth of Chinese goods to protect American jobs and stop China’s abuses under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 and Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974.
Directed an all-of-government effort to halt and punish efforts by the Communist Party of China to steal and profit from American innovations and intellectual property.
Imposed tariffs on foreign aluminum and foreign steel to protect our vital industries and support our national security.
Approved tariffs on $1.8 billion in imports of washing machines and $8.5 billion in imports of solar panels.
Blocked illegal timber imports from Peru.
Took action against France for its digital services tax that unfairly targets American technology companies.
Launched investigations into digital services taxes that have been proposed or adopted by 10 other countries.
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