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re: History buffs: A recommended podcast listen for the history of Israel/Palestine Conflict
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:22 am to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:22 am to Mo Jeaux
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That the biblical Israel is not the same as the modern-day nation state of Israel.
O.k., but in the context of this dispute, so what?
I mean, India as a country isn't the same as it was in ancient times (nothing is), but it's still the same lineage of people living there in the same place in this new modern world.
So if you aren't saying, "Ancient Israel isn't the same as modern day Israel, therefore we can act like Israel never existed before 1948," then what is the significance in this context?
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:24 am to OBReb6
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And you also missed earlier where I said I am neutral on this conflict.
No, I saw it.
I just don't believe it.
You also said you'd understand if I/we had that perception, remember?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:24 am to TrueTiger
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Any history prior to October 7 doesn't matter to me
Yeah people like to cherry pick when they want history of a region to start.
What’s going on rt now is because of oct 7. That act kicked off the current fighting.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:26 am to wackatimesthree
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O.k., but in the context of this dispute, so what?
You can say this, but I know you don’t believe it. The rest of your post about India is a non sequitur, and frankly, gibberish.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:27 am to OBReb6
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The Palestinians won’t accept peace, they only have themselves to blame” Then I had an epiphany and realized I really didn’t know very much about what was going on over there at all and the root causes, and I decided to change that. My perspective has been transformed.
So instead of listening to 23 hours hit us with your main points on why you changed your mind on hamas wanting peace.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:28 am to OBReb6
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Here’s a hint, it has nothing to do with hating Jews just because they are Jews, or religious hatred, or anything like that.
Then there are a frickoad of very confused "Palestinians" who need you to tell them why they want Israel eradicated. Those dumbasses absolutely think it's about religious hatred. At least, they say they do.
I have found it useful in life to question people's motives when the stated motives make them look better, and believe people's motives when the stated motives are unflattering on the logic that, it's easy to see why someone would lie to make themselves look better. It's a lot harder to understand why they would lie to make themselves look worse.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:29 am to Mo Jeaux
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You can say this, but I know you don’t believe it. The rest of your post about India is a non sequitur, and frankly, gibberish.
So in other words, you meant exactly what I interpreted you to mean and now you are backed in a corner with nowhere to go once I exposed the faulty logic of it.
Well, definitely not the first time.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:31 am to OBReb6
just curious, how often did the name rothschild come up in that podcast?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:32 am to grizzlylongcut
quote:Seriously, what value do you get out of so blatantly just flat out lying? We live in a weird world that so many people find this normal
I believe I’ve listened to this podcast before and it was so heavily slanted towards “Palestine” that I had to turn it off.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:32 am to wackatimesthree
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So in other words, you meant exactly what I interpreted you to mean and now you are backed in a corner with nowhere to go once I exposed the faulty logic of it.
You think so highly of yourself. It’s very funny. Hey, tell us about those biblical prophecies that were supposed to be fulfilled during the eclipse yesterday. Did Armageddon happen? I was working. 
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:33 am to OBReb6
Religious persecution has existed for millenia.
Babylonia and Egyptians enslaved Jews
Jews persecuted Caananites
Romans persecuted Jews
Jews and Romans persecuted Christians
Christians persecuted Jews
Muslims persecuted all non-Muslims (still do [or try to] today)
Christians persecuted Musilms
Catholics persecuted Protestants, and vice versa
No one has clean hands. Period.
But, let's be clear...the only FAITH that seeks the utter enslavement and eradication of all others is Islam.
You don't have to be pro-Israel or a Zionist to understand that immutable FACT.
Babylonia and Egyptians enslaved Jews
Jews persecuted Caananites
Romans persecuted Jews
Jews and Romans persecuted Christians
Christians persecuted Jews
Muslims persecuted all non-Muslims (still do [or try to] today)
Christians persecuted Musilms
Catholics persecuted Protestants, and vice versa
No one has clean hands. Period.
But, let's be clear...the only FAITH that seeks the utter enslavement and eradication of all others is Islam.
You don't have to be pro-Israel or a Zionist to understand that immutable FACT.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 7:37 am
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:36 am to Mo Jeaux
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You think so highly of yourself.
Not at all.
I think very lowly of you.
There's a difference.
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Hey, tell us about those biblical prophecies that were supposed to be fulfilled during the eclipse yesterday.
I legit laughed out loud that you think that's some kind of needling that I would get mad about. What an imbecile you are.
Anyway, I already told you what the eclipse was about. The CIA, Trump, Peter Brady becoming Weird Al Yonkovic, Jeffery Epstein, and chemtrails erasing memory.
Just exactly what idiot populists like yourself want to hear.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:38 am to udtiger
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You don't have to be pro-Israel or a Zionist to understand that immutable FACT.
Nah, the fact that they say it is so and that it appears in Hamas' original charter, and it's in the Koran doesn't mean it's a fact. This guy's got a podcast that says it's for other reasons.
And it's unbiased.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:38 am to OBReb6
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I’m overall pretty neutral on this conflict.
Did the podcast change your mind or sway your opinion further one way or another?
Thanks for the suggestion. I plan to check it out.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:40 am to wackatimesthree
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I think very lowly of you.
That’s to be expected. Ugliness and ignorance hate beauty and intelligence.
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I legit laughed out loud that you think that's some kind of needling that I would get mad about. What an imbecile you are. Anyway, I already told you what the eclipse was about. The CIA, Trump, Peter Brady becoming Weird Al Yonkovic, Jeffery Epstein, and chemtrails erasing memory. Just exactly what idiot populists like yourself want to hear.
More retarded gibberish. You’re not a smart person at all. You weren’t even able to follow the conversation of the first few posts before you started rambling off on a tangent.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 7:41 am
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:41 am to Mo Jeaux
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No it hasn’t. But this is why zionists named it Israel. They knew rubes like you would support them no matter what because of your Scofield dispensationalist beliefs (which would have been anathema to Christians for almost 2000 years before you by the way).
What is this word salad?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:44 am to theunknownknight
What’s so difficult to understand?
Choosing the name “Israel” for the country was due in part to propaganda. Scofield dispensationalism is a new form of Christian belief that past Christians would have rejected.
Choosing the name “Israel” for the country was due in part to propaganda. Scofield dispensationalism is a new form of Christian belief that past Christians would have rejected.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:45 am to dgnx6
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So instead of listening to 23 hours hit us with your main points on why you changed your mind on hamas wanting peace.
Well Hamas is not covered in this podcast. It ends in 1948.
The podcast opened my eyes to look at things more critically and investigate a little deeper. So with Hamas specifically I know that Netanyahu strategically propped them up because the competing Palestinian Authority party was in favor of a two state solution. Members of the Likud party in Israel never want a two state solution, they want to drive out all the Palestinians over time. They know they cannot say this publicly, so they sabotage Palestinian leadership that does want this, and promote and fund radical extremist parties like Hamas because Hamas also wants no two state solution, and is a convenient scapegoat on the international stage.
That’s fine and all, it’s impressive strategy. But it gives you a better perspective of how October 7th could happen and makes the teeth gnashing afterwards seem a little less honest.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:47 am to TigerBaitOohHaHa
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Did the podcast change your mind or sway your opinion further one way or another?
I was without question pro Israeli without giving it much other thought.
I still am not anti Israeli though, I just now recognize their recklessness and how dangerous it can be on an international stage and how we will be dragged into whatever erupts.
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