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Posted on 1/9/22 at 3:53 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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The Delta variant took hold worldwide AFTER vaccination began. It’s a spurious correlation. Deaths and cases went up after vaccination began because of Delta, not the vaccine
Or maybe the vaccines caused delta to be as bad as it was.
Open your mind to all possibilities.
Remember- the same people that tell you to get vaccinated are the same people that tell you therapeutics don't work
Posted on 1/9/22 at 3:59 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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So why does he need to be a medical doctor to criticize an analysis by a poli sci grad student?
“He” doesn’t. I just like to remind “him” that “he” isn’t.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 4:09 pm to ksayetiger
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Or maybe the vaccines caused delta to be as bad as it was.
Open your mind to all possibilities.
I am open to that possibility, but it doesn’t explain the fact that Delta first arose in India before widespread vaccinations there and the experience there with the variant was as bad or worse than highly vaccinated countries.
ETA: It also does not explain the much higher death rate by age for the unvaccinated from Delta.
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 1/9/22 at 4:11 pm to the808bass
And I like to remind him that I am.
It's a fun game, he gets to try and derail arguments he's losing and I get to laugh at him.
It's a fun game, he gets to try and derail arguments he's losing and I get to laugh at him.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 4:40 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:35 pm to Penrod
Geez the vaccines don't keep you from getting the CCP virus or keep you from spreading it. They are being linked to more and more health issues themselves along with making every vaccinated jackass a virus Petri dish. You are just as big a dumbass as mmgrath.
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:40 pm to BBONDS25
Funny post, did they explain why they "told you"? Maybe they know the vaccines are a dangerous joke and wanted to play Russian roulette with you. They could be very tired of your dumb arse.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 8:06 am to MikeTheTiger71
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I haven’t reviewed the other studies at this point
There are 5 or 6 linked studies and you did not review them. Says a lot.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 8:21 am to dafif
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There are 5 or 6 linked studies and you did not review them. Says a lot.
The OP and the article were both focused on the multi-national data analysis. Neither did an in depth review of the other linked studies nor made those studies the basis of their arguments. My comments are based on their interpretation of that one study. There are many other studies available that contradict this analysis and the other studies linked as an aside. Does it say something about the OP and the author of the article that they did not do an exhaustive analysis of all relevant research? If the requirement for commenting were an all-encompassing review of all material, there would be no posts. Truthfully, that might not be a bad idea since it might get people to actually educate themselves and not just share every bad article and research analysis that fits with their bias. In any case, I’m sure you read through all the links and took several hours of your time just to be able to comment on this thread, right?
Posted on 1/10/22 at 8:36 am to BillRose
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Funny post, did they explain why they "told you"? Maybe they know the vaccines are a dangerous joke and wanted to play Russian roulette with you. They could be very tired of your dumb arse.
Between them there are three MDs and 2 PHDs. I trust they can read the studies better than me. They are all very conservative politically, and all of them felt the same way about the vaccines. They won’t stop COVID, but it will keep you out of the hospital. Again, I trust them and they are more knowledgeable than me. Not sure why that is funny to you. Where did you get the info that informed your decision?
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 8:37 am
Posted on 1/10/22 at 8:59 am to BBONDS25
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They won’t stop COVID, but it will keep you out of the hospital.
There’s not much in the initial studies to suggest this. There’s certainly nothing in the retrospective data to suggest it.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 9:03 am to BillRose
I'm sure this honorable man will get attacked by the sheep, good on him for fighting the good fight
Posted on 1/10/22 at 9:36 am to Penrod
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Once vaccines became available, the amount of social distancing dropped off. I would guess that this is what is responsible for the increase in spread and deaths. Simply put, people came out of their hidey-holes and started mingling.
This sounds very anecdotal and speculative. Is it your opinion that vaccinated people take social proximity risks at higher rates than unvaccinated?
Both groups have different “fears”. If we’re generalizing about both populations, one fears catching the virus, the other fears adverse events from mRNA vaccines.
But the unvaccinated also have something else in common. They also value personal liberty, possibly at higher rates than the vaccinated. Valuing freedom isn’t a characteristic prone to hermit behavior. It’s a highly social value. This is why pro vaccine mandate enthusiasts blame the unvaccinated. If the unvaccinated were hermits, there would be no basis for blaming them.
So I don’t think a change in behavior among the vaccinated does enough to explain the change in outcomes. It doesn’t go far enough to explain any difference in behavior between the 2 groups.
Why am I wrong?
Posted on 1/10/22 at 10:25 am to MikeTheTiger71
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The analysis is junk. All it shows is that deaths and cases went up when Delta hit which just happened to be later in time than when vaccinations began. It was also after Trump was kicked off social media. This study’s methodology would conclude that caused COVID deaths to increase worldwide. It was also caused by LSU hiring Kim Mulkey, Tom Brady winning another Super Bowl, Rush Limbaugh’s death, etc.
Sounds like you are agreeing that the data shows things got worse after vaccines became available.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 12:37 pm to notsince98
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Sounds like you are agreeing that the data shows things got worse after vaccines became available.
And after LSU hired Kim Mulkey, Tom Brady won the Super Bowl, Rush Limbaugh died and Trump got kicked off social media. Which one of those things do you think made things worse?
Posted on 1/10/22 at 1:08 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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And after LSU hired Kim Mulkey, Tom Brady won the Super Bowl, Rush Limbaugh died and Trump got kicked off social media. Which one of those things do you think made things worse?
Did things get better after the vaccines rolled out or not? Correlation does not guarantee causation but correlation is the first requirement to determine causation.
Vaccines were supposed to improve COVID and from your own post, you seem to acknowledge that did not happen. Did it get worse due to the vaccine? *shrugs*. Did the vaccine make things better? No.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 1:48 pm to notsince98
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Did things get better after the vaccines rolled out or not? Correlation does not guarantee causation but correlation is the first requirement to determine causation.
Before Delta arrived, vaccines did reduce cases. Post-Delta cases were still lower than last winter and deaths are still improved. Case rates and death rates are lower for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. So, the question is what you are measuring, what time period you are analyzing and what population are you looking at.
The analysis in this post is far too simplistic to account for any of that. My critique and assessments were limited to that context. I wasn’t attempting to make a case for vaccine efficacy, I was addressing the flawed study and the conclusion that vaccines made things worse.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 2:10 pm to BillRose
Classic case of the "other countries were wrong, we will do it the right way here" mentality. It's the same reasoning they have for socialism.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 8:05 pm to BBONDS25
That has not been proven to be true. Now or ever. You may "trust" them but I do believe they are tired of your stupid arse. My information comes from the obvious, look around and pull your head out of your arse.
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