re: Heretic Pope opposes Jerusalem move

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I'm sick to death of this pope. I'm living in sin but cannot return to my church.

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Perhaps you should look to the only head of the Church, which is Jesus Christ. The Pope is a fallible human being and there is only one mediator between God and man, and that is Jesus.

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I am still Catholic. I will never be protestant. I'm just caught in limbo at the moment.

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I'd suggest spending a lot of quality time reading the Bible, then. It should help you along regardless.

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On the other hand, Chuck Schumer is an enthusiastic supporter of the move.

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Dang, never thought I'd see the day I agreed with upChuck on something but here it is

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Dang, never thought I'd see the day I agreed with upChuck on something but here it is

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He can't appear too antisemitic.

This pope is a loser. All he knows how to do is bash anything Trump supports

As someone who has studied philosophy (both political and religious) and the bases of our system of governance at length, let me first say that I appreciate your response. It is as thoughtful as any I've seen here in a long long time. That being said...

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The arguments should speak for themselves, not be supported or destroyed based on the quality of the person making those arguments. That's called an ad hominem fallacy.

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The structure of the republic is such that our elected representatives are expected, if not REQUIRED, to be more virtuous than their constituents, this is borne out explicitly by James Madison in the Federalist Papers. Further, regardless of ideology, elected representatives are duty bound to represent the interests of ALL of their constituents.

Tell me, do you honestly believe that a man who is uninterested in the sexual autonomy of women and young girls be fit to represent their interests?

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For many if not most Evangelicals, it has to do with their Eschatology. They are primarily pre-millennial dispensationalists who believe that Christ's return has to do with bringing the nation of Israel back into the fold of the Church.

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Put more simply, they want to trigger Armageddon.

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I support Israel from a practical standpoint and out of respect for their stance in regards to their geographical and geopolitical position in the region. They have the testicular fortitude to do what they need to do to protect themselves and their people in spite of calls of "tolerance" and political correction that actually threaten their security.

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Do Palestinians not also deserve the same respect? Are "tolerance," peace and nonviolence not central tenets of Christianity?

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Israel is an ally to the U.S. and we've traditionally fought for and died beside our allies in conflicts. The argument isn't about fighting for or with an ally, but why they should be our ally in the first place.

There's a practical aspect to them being our ally in that we've got a good foothold in the Middle East with a friendly country (to us). It's good for us to have a presence there or at least a safe space.

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Yet Trump has done things that demean not only the Israel-U.S. alliance, but also our alliances with basically the entirety of the industrialized world, save Russia, China, and Japan.

Also, for as long as Israel has been an ally of the U.S. there has never been recognition until now because policymakers want to make sure that the U.S. retains a position of authority and respect on the international stage. This move demeans those interests and undoes whatever progress has been made toward a two-state solution.

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I would suggest that it has to do with the thought that there's not going to be a peaceful solution without one side or the other giving up something they aren't willing to give up.

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So, the argument is, because it doesn't seem like it will get better, it should be made worse?




The argument I'm making is simple. Aside from political or religious dogma, there is no substantive reason to contravene standing U.S. policy, as well as the advice and policies of all of our international allies (except Israel) by recognizing Jerusalem OR moving the embassy from Tel Aviv.

Further, as Christians, you and "evangelicals" alike believe that we will all one day have to answer for our actions during our time on earth.

How do you think the argument that voting for Trump and Moore's political stances despite SIGNIFICANT evidence of their moral impropriety (and continued support for them in spite of actions that have deadly consequence) will be received?

Yeah, what happened to the libertarians on here?

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Where is this peace you speak of in the ME?

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It is gone after England and America stole Palestine's land. What the hell were you expecting to happen?

No one handles the pope