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re: Here's where I think Trump went wrong re the virus
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:20 pm to tigersbb
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:20 pm to tigersbb
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You are claiming there was ample warning of the coming pandemic by the latter part of 2019 and Trump was too slow to respond which has caused many preventable CV 19 infections and deaths. What if Trump had acted as the leftists sycophants insist he should have.
Based upon the predictions of a group of federal health scientists who warned of a coming pandemic from China He could have issued an executive order effective January 1, 2020 :
No events with crowds over 50 people are to be held: No national championship game, no NFL playoffs, no Super Bowl, college basketball season suspended, NBA and NHL seasons suspended,
Mardi Gras is cancelled.
No MLK events honoring Dr. King and Black History Month is not celebrated.
Colleges may not begin spring semester classes, all high school and lower grades cannot open,only essential business as determined by the federal government may operative.
The Defense Deployment Act is activated and Trump requires random businesses to suspend their usual production and make ventilators and face masks for the coming pandemic.
Effective January 15 all flights from foreign countries are suspended. Any Americans seeking to return to the United States must make arrangements by January 15.
Impeachment hearings against him could not be held as Congress could not convene.
The Supreme Court and all federal courts must suspend proceedings by January 15.
Multiple litigation would have been filed in anti Trump venues which demanded injunctions to stop this unprecedented power grab by a United States president
The left wing media would have gone into total meltdown. Trump would have been called :
A dictator.
An isolationist
A nationalist
A racist
A xenophobe
An obstructionist of justice
Even some of his strongest supporters would have turned on him.
Today the media would be excoriating him for over reacting to the pandemic which never occurred.
They would be lambasting him for the huge stockpile of unused ventilators and face masks., while praising Obama for having the fiscal responsibility to not over react and build up such an absurd amount of supplies.
Best post of the month 100% correct, could have changed the democrat nominee to Bloomberg.
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:28 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Trump should have - earlier on - not downplayed the significance of the virus. He should have instead adopted a Churchillian "we will have to suck it up and fight through stance". It's tough, but we'll face it head on, together.
It is tough but at the end of the day it is what we are going to have to do anyway....there ain't no way around it. No one could have predicted when it was going to happen only that it was going to...because its happened in the past...we were past due. Our reaction could have probably been better, who knows for certain at this point....but our overcorrection on the side of caution now is going to cause all manner of ill shite that no one can predict.
I know for a certainty that without federal money governors wouldn't have been so quick to shut down. The money allowed them some cushion.....
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:39 pm to Gtmodawg
quote:Someone mentioned earlier Trump's inability to stop saying silly/stupid/inflammatory things - despite the fact that his actual actions weren't all that bad. I mostly agree with that.
It is tough but at the end of the day it is what we are going to have to do anyway....there ain't no way around it. No one could have predicted when it was going to happen only that it was going to...because its happened in the past...we were past due. Our reaction could have probably been better, who knows for certain at this point....but our overcorrection on the side of caution now is going to cause all manner of ill shite that no one can predict.
On the flip side, what is a plausible counter-factual in which things were done a lot better? As we know, the dem debates didn't even mention the virus as late as Feb 18...and Cuomo and de Blasio were actively counseling ANTI social distancing measures ("go live your life").
It's really hard to let any of these people off the hook.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Trump should have - earlier on - not downplayed the significance of the virus. He should have instead adopted a Churchillian "we will have to suck it up and fight through stance". It's tough, but we'll face it head on, together.
So now we are left in the position where he has continually talked down numbers that are going higher. This makes him look bad relative to the scientists - and thus sticks us with the shite sandwich of having to listen to fricking germ doctors tell us we can't go to work.
Exactly, 100%
He has acted the fool throughout this IMO.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:46 pm to uway
Also, what happened to the chloroquine talking point? For awhile, I've argued that his bully pulpiting on that was worth it (even if the drug didn't work) because it got us to where the FDA started relaxing their hurdles and fast-tracking potential treatments.
However, it does seem that his pumping chloroquine has caused real damage - to supply chains and to people that actually need the drug for what they have. It would be hard to argue that he said and did the right things re that drug.
However, it does seem that his pumping chloroquine has caused real damage - to supply chains and to people that actually need the drug for what they have. It would be hard to argue that he said and did the right things re that drug.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:48 pm to geaux88
quote:Nah. He said it wouldn't be a problem for the US at all. That's way different.
Jesus Christ, THAT'S WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING!!
e.g. He went to India in late February. That trip probably just should not have happened.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 5:14 pm to Big Scrub TX
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it's easier to know everything with hindsight.
IDGAF about the rest.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 5:34 pm to tigersbb
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The left wing media would have gone into total meltdown. Trump would have been called :
A dictator.
An isolationist
A nationalist
A racist
A xenophobe
An obstructionist of justice
Even some of his strongest supporters would have turned on him.
Today the media would be excoriating him for over reacting to the pandemic which never occurred.
They would be lambasting him for the huge stockpile of unused ventilators and face masks., while praising Obama for having the fiscal responsibility to not over react and build up such an absurd amount of supplies.
I don't doubt he would have taken a ton of shite. Day after day after day after day. he'd get creamed in the press. Till somewhere around April 4th or 5th. Then we'd look out onto a world where every other country was still in the thick of the shite and still had months of shutdowns in their future and we'd be fully would be back in business and our biggest problem would be that we had too much PPE and ventilators stock which we would promptly turn around and sell to the rest of the world. We'd be S. Korea effectively, the envy of the world. And then the same list of items Trump would have caught shite for he'd be able to hold up as proof of his conviction in face of all the negativity. We all would be better off as a country. And he'd better off politically. Alas...
Posted on 5/5/20 at 5:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
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It's really hard to let any of these people off the hook.
I think it has been a cluster at all levels of government in general in the middle of what was going to be a HUGE problem no matter what our reaction....a problem we should've been better prepared for but not one we could've been completely prepared for...and one we could have reacted better to but I don't think the overall reaction was initially to far off course...we have since gone off the deep end and we are going to pay the price for that. I am no fan of Trump but short of him doing what he does....say stupid shite, which they all do to one extent or another, he has not been nearly the disaster that W was in invading Iraq....his response has been pretty spot on, of course acknowledging the fact that he has said some stupid shite but his saying stupid shite has had no effect on what we have done....
Posted on 5/5/20 at 5:49 pm to roadGator
Trump is a known commodity. And what we know isnt very good. I think deep down most people will be relieved when this clown show is over. And, unless something changes, it will be over in November.
You might want to start preparing yourself for that.
You might want to start preparing yourself for that.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 5:52 pm to longwayfromLA
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then the same list of items Trump would have caught shite for he'd be able to hold up as proof of his conviction in f
Theoretically that is true, but he would be in the position of proving a huge negative of number lives said. Look how much pushback he gets when claiming his policies implemented on January 31 saved lives.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 5:52 pm to SickGainzLP
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Trump is a known commodity. And what we know isnt very good. I think deep down most people will be relieved when this clown show is over. And, unless something changes, it will be over in November.
You might want to start preparing yourself for that.
Oh for fricks sake
Posted on 5/5/20 at 5:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
But Trump made what turned out to be a tactical error here
“Trump makes no errors”
-TD Poliboard
Posted on 5/5/20 at 5:59 pm to DallasTiger11
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I know plenty of people, including myself, that were furious all throughout February about how flat footed we were
Sorry you know lots of Karen’s , because there was no evidence to reach this conclusion.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:02 pm to bbeck
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“Trump makes no errors” -TD Poliboard
We are all hard on Trump here. Ridiculous.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:03 pm to tigersbb
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Theoretically that is true, but he would be in the position of proving a huge negative of number lives said. Look how much pushback he gets when claiming his policies implemented on January 31 saved lives.
He catches crap partly because he overstates what he did with the ban on Chinese nationals. But the bigger reason is that its hard to call scoreboard when we are struggling just as much as, if not more than, everywhere else in the world. But if we had something like say 10,000 deaths to date as opposed to 65,000....
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:06 pm to DallasTiger11
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I know plenty of people, including myself, that were furious all throughout February about how flat footed we were. So no this isn’t hindsight bias.
Hmmm, let’s see what DallasLiar was posting back in late February.
quote:
No one should be panicking yet. Monitoring the spread and beginning preparation for self-quarantining is the appropriate response right now....
Posted February 26th.
I find that liars typically have no shame, and tend to use more lies to cover for their stupidity. Let’s see.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:33 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:How is that a lie? Trump was traveling to India at the same time and wasn't even vaguely flirting with the idea of quarantining.
No one should be panicking yet. Monitoring the spread and beginning preparation for self-quarantining is the appropriate response right now....
Posted February 26th.
I find that liars typically have no shame, and tend to use more lies to cover for their stupidity. Let’s see.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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So did every major politician in America and even most disease specialists.
Not the politicians who got the intel briefs and then sold and bought stock based off it. They might not have said it, but they knew the severity.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:12 pm to SickGainzLP
The dementia barrier will be beaten. Nice.
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