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re: Here’s the iPhone. Here’s the iPhone With Tariffs.

Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:55 pm to
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35403 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:55 pm to
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By Lam’s estimates, the assembly labor that might cost $30 per phone in China could cost $300 in the U.S

Ahh, the secondary and tertiary benefits of child and slave labor. Something we should all be okay with!

I honestly don't know why people buy overpriced shite Apple products anyway.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
25326 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:57 pm to
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Apple plans to open a new factory for artificial intelligence servers in Texas as part of a $500 billion investment in the U.S., the company said Monday


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The new factory, which is slated to begin operations in 2026, will form part of a major investment plan Apple is committing to over the next four years. In addition to the new Texas facility, Apple said it also plans to hire around 20,000 new employees across the U.S.

Most of the new hires will be focused on research and development, or R&D, silicon engineering, software development, and AI and machine learning, Apple said.


You quoted something that proves the point. These hires are going to be H-1B visas, and the server farms are no more exciting than Facebook building in St. Francisville.

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Apple said its $500 billion investment plan will include work with suppliers across the U.S. and production of content for its Apple TV+ media streaming service in 20 states, as well as new hires and research and development spending.


Oh, and it’s going to make movies and TV shows here…which it was doing already.

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The tech giant also said it would double its U.S. Advanced Manufacturing Fund to $10 billion from $5 billion currently, create a new manufacturing academy in Michigan, and grow its R&D investments in the U.S. to support cutting-edge fields such as silicon engineering.


A bit of decent news.

And the most ironic thing of all, this was all done BEFORE these tariffs…soooo, yeah.

Nice try though.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
25326 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:58 pm to
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Ahh, the secondary and tertiary benefits of child and slave labor. Something we should all be okay with!


Again, prior to these tariffs, NONE of you citing child labor did a single thing to combat it. It’s disgusting how you will use the rhetoric of child labor to try and score talking points.
Posted by Hognutz
Member since Sep 2018
2571 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:58 pm to
idon't care.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35403 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 4:26 pm to
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Again, prior to these tariffs, NONE of you citing child labor did a single thing to combat it. It’s disgusting how you will use the rhetoric of child labor to try and score talking points.

Really? You know for certain that I don't deliberately go out of my way to not buy Chinese products when I can, even when it often costs more to buy non-Chinese-made products?

Tell me, what else can I do to "combat it"? That's what I'm limited to, and it's exactly what I do.

And I have a very long post history of being a VERY outspoken critic of China for both their child and slave labor tactics as well as their abhorrent treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities. Those are mountains from which I am immovable.

Not sure why you're so hostile and presumptuous, but throw that shite at someone else.
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
5536 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 4:37 pm to
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Love to see the democrats come out in favor of child labor. I guess if you can sleep with them you can put them to work too.


Posted by Arkaea79
Member since Sep 2022
966 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 4:52 pm to
That whole article just says "we need slave labor"
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
22465 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 4:56 pm to
Hey Grok, how many times has China let outsiders into iPhone factories unannounced with cameras?
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
1025 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:03 pm to
It is like people are stuck on low skill jobs or something.

We want the automated manufacturing plants here.

We want to make our pharma here.

We don't want to be dependent on despotic foreign governments for this stuff.

It's not difficult to understand.

Oh, and frick your short term market losses. I am sick of the whining. We are playing the long game for once. Get used to it.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18680 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:08 pm to
Apple assembles in china, on paper sends the finished goods to Ireland and marks it up tremendously, then ships to the US and sells with minimal margins after expenses.

This has allowed them to avoid US taxes for the most part and amass 250 billion offshore.

They should have built in the US 20 years ago. Their largest market is the US and they are fking the very taxpayers that buy their products.

If Tesla can build a car and TSMC can build advanced chips, both in the US and make good profits, I highly doubt Apple cant. And frickin labor would be nowhere near 300 bucks, ya think its shop class and a kid with a welding kit?
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
8130 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:13 pm to
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This board is weird, MAGA seems to want these jobs back in Tennessee at $15 an hour, but not in Michigan at $30 an hour.


That would be stupid not to minimize costs internally.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51400 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:15 pm to
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Good thing I have Samsung

They had better figure out their autocorrector. There are times I wonder why I don't just throw it at the wall and get something else.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4828 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:15 pm to
The problem is that isn't the end game for everyone. I submit that there are people here to whom the end game is returning to a manufacturing world where someone with a high school education or less, a strong back and a strong work ethic can get a job and hold it for 40 years and support his family at a middle class level. And I'm not denigrating those people to describe them like that, that describes my father who worked for close to 40 years at a steel plant and was one of the finest men ever to draw breath to a T. The problem is, the people who expect that to be the end game are going to be disappointed because that's not coming back, ever.
Posted by MMauler
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Member since Jun 2013
23894 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:16 pm to
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
4385 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:17 pm to
Can't believe you schmucks use Apple anyway. Android is THE way
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
11412 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:19 pm to
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None of you cared about this until the tariffs, now it’s just a talking point.

It’s hilarious watching MAGA now clutch their peals…BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!
Posted by Crawdaddy
Slidell. The jewel of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
19098 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:19 pm to
Elon Musk needs to make a smart phone. One better and cheaper than iPhone.

Can you imagine the left having to buy one because of how great and cheap they are. Wow that would be awesome
This post was edited on 4/7/25 at 6:31 pm
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
1025 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:19 pm to
I agree 100%.

The world has moved on, in most cases, from low/no skill jobs.

There will still be quite a few, but not in manufacturing. And certainly not "high paying". Those jobs are gone forever.

Anyone who believes that is going to be disappointed.

But I don't think many people actually still believe that. Its just not logical.
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
1025 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:20 pm to
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It’s hilarious watching MAGA now clutch their peals…BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!


The frick kind of comment is this. We have always cared about children. We are not the ones trying to abort all of them. We are also not cool with child labor.

Whats wrong with you?
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4828 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:25 pm to
I actually had a conversation with the dean at the major tech school where I'm at who said in the old smokestack manufacturing days you could get by with a ratio of 10 unskilled workers to every skilled worker, defining unskilled as people with a high school diploma and skilled as someone who comes in with some level of technical training, it's not rating them on how hard or how well they work. The ratio for current manufacturing has shrunk to 3 unskilled for every skilled, and the dean said it's going to dip even lower.
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