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re: Here’s The Document The White House, Barr Are Using To Push Gun Control On Republicans
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:40 am to MrLarson
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:40 am to MrLarson
None of that is going to affect F to F transactions between friends and family.
I've never been a fan of classifieds guns sales in our modern society/environment anyways because it's just too dangerous these days. You never know who is coming to your house or who is getting you somewhere to complete the transaction.
Just in the past few months I know of one elderly friend who was robbed, at his home, while selling one of his guns.
And another good friend who owns a gun shop not far from here, a state representative as a matter of fact, saw his store broken into and completely cleaned out. They actually caught one of the bad guys on I-95 headed up north during a routine traffic stop with some of the guns in his truck but he refused to give up the other two. (They knew it was three black guys from video captured during the break in.) The guy was headed to either NY or Philly, I can't remember which.
I mean it does go on .... crews from up north do come down South and case places to rob. This was a very sophisticated crew that knew how to get into a highly secure, remote located building, disable an alarm and one of the video systems, and clean out several hundred firearms and a lot of ammo.
ETA: Gun Legislation hearings are going-on right now on CSPAN2. John Cornyn is speaking right now about fixing NICS rather than adopting a whole new set of laws.
I've never been a fan of classifieds guns sales in our modern society/environment anyways because it's just too dangerous these days. You never know who is coming to your house or who is getting you somewhere to complete the transaction.
Just in the past few months I know of one elderly friend who was robbed, at his home, while selling one of his guns.
And another good friend who owns a gun shop not far from here, a state representative as a matter of fact, saw his store broken into and completely cleaned out. They actually caught one of the bad guys on I-95 headed up north during a routine traffic stop with some of the guns in his truck but he refused to give up the other two. (They knew it was three black guys from video captured during the break in.) The guy was headed to either NY or Philly, I can't remember which.
I mean it does go on .... crews from up north do come down South and case places to rob. This was a very sophisticated crew that knew how to get into a highly secure, remote located building, disable an alarm and one of the video systems, and clean out several hundred firearms and a lot of ammo.
ETA: Gun Legislation hearings are going-on right now on CSPAN2. John Cornyn is speaking right now about fixing NICS rather than adopting a whole new set of laws.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 12:42 pm
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:56 am to TaderSalad
You are going to have to understand their long term goals if you don’t want to have any issues.
How many times must you hear “ends justify means”?
How many times must you hear “ends justify means”?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:01 pm to Kingpenm3
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Can anyone show me an example of an actual commercial sale without a background check? I just don't know what they are talking about.
If you are obtaining guns in order to resell them, those are commercial transactions.
And that technically is a “loophole”.
I don’t see what they can do about this without creating a registry, though. And that’s of course what they want to do.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:01 pm to TaderSalad
quote:So I guess you'd be OK with applying these same requirements to vote or to the media?
As a law abiding citizen, I dont mind this measure.
FFL fees typically range 20-30 bucks. Now, if they start restricting FFL's and making it hard to get one, then I'll have an issue.
ETA: I dont like the chain of custody type stuff though. Who cares who owned my gun before me. (If I am reading that correctly)
If we are regulating Rights they are not Rights but Privileges.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:02 pm to MrLarson
Does that include Craigslist?
This almost looks to me like they're giving the dems something they already have... but if Craigslist and private sales are included then frick that noise.
This almost looks to me like they're giving the dems something they already have... but if Craigslist and private sales are included then frick that noise.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:06 pm to uway
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I don’t see what they can do about this without creating a registry, though. And that’s of course what they want to do.
And personally, I might rather them ban the sale of “assault weapons” again rather than create a national registry.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:24 pm to MrLarson
quote:It should. It's a registry.
This worries me a little
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:30 pm to bamarep
quote:Nope.
We're gonna have to give them something.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:34 pm to TaderSalad
quote:Sure. If youre not carrying anything illegal, you shouldn't mind if we search you car, house, an anus.
As a law abiding citizen, I dont mind this measure.
I used to think we needed a big defense budget to protect our nation. Now I realize that the biggest threat to the US are people scared of their own freedom.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:35 pm to SoulGlo
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Does that include Craigslist?
That is how I understood it. If you involve a 3rd party to advertise the weapon it becomes a commercial sale.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:35 pm to Taxing Authority
Unless I’m missing something, the last paragraph of this only works if they start keeping track of every gun that is bought through an FFL.
I also don’t think it could stand up in court. You would not have civil immunity if a gun you formerly owned was used in a crime, unless you could produce a bill of sale and proof that the buyer passed a background check.
Presumably this would also apply to guns passed down in the family.
So basically this scheme only works if there is a national registry, and you would have to assume, since chain of custody of the firearm is something you’re legally responsible for, that if your guns are not “properly secured”, according to whatever definition, and then are stolen and used in a crime, you can be sued for that.
Now that I think about it, we do record SN’s on the FFL form, so they can already forensically track it up until the point it went to you, as long as the yellow sheet is retained by the FFL. I was thinking of the actual NICS check, and at least when I was doing it, we didn’t identify the specific gun.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:40 pm to Taxing Authority
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Now I realize that the biggest threat to the US are people scared of their own freedom.
That's an absolute fact.
With respect to this proposal, let's play this out for a minute and assume it passes into law. We know for a fact it won't do anything to firearm homicide or suicide rates. We also know for a fact it will do nothing to mitigate mass shootings. So the question becomes - then what? What happens after the next high-profile incident? The answer is the Democrats, as usual, will claim we "didn't go far enough" and must ban "assault weapons".
Part of me almost wishes an "assault weapons ban" would pass today so we can get it shot down by the SCOTUS while there are 5 justices who understand the Constitution and can apply the "in common use for lawful purposes" test from Miller and Heller.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:48 pm to bamarep
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We're gonna have to give them something. That being the case, this seems reasonable to me.
No, we don't have to give them a damn thing.
Let them go on about nonexistant "gun show loopholes" and banning magazines. See how that plays out to the normal American.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:50 pm to MrLarson
You cannot legislate enough to stop evil.
Want to really stop many shootings? Rid the US of soft targets like no-gun zones.
God told Adam and Eve what was forbidden in the Garden of Eden. But a government can tell us and it will work??? smh
Want to really stop many shootings? Rid the US of soft targets like no-gun zones.
God told Adam and Eve what was forbidden in the Garden of Eden. But a government can tell us and it will work??? smh
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:52 pm to bamarep
quote:
We're gonna have to give them something.
Fine, they can have the steam emanating from my freshly dropped turd
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:56 pm to TaderSalad
quote:
As a law abiding citizen, I dont mind this measure.
As a law abiding citizen, you'll be the only person being affected by this, too.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:59 pm to bamarep
quote:
We're gonna have to give them something.
Why?
They never give us anything.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 2:03 pm to Boatshoes
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Why? They never give us anything.
Exactly. They want them all. There is no "compromise" or "conversation" that will satisfy these creeps. They despise The Second Amendment and want to destroy the American tradition of gun ownership. You better believe that's the truth.....
Posted on 9/18/19 at 2:05 pm to Midget Death Squad
It is not Trump's decision to make if we can keep constitutional rights.
These law makers are over stepping their boundaries.
These law makers are over stepping their boundaries.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 2:06 pm
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