re: Here’s an interesting statistic…

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We are talking about putting resource officers

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Really? How many are we talking about nationwide to fulfill your plan? You do understand police, teachers, bus drivers, etc. are ALL in short supply right now, right? We are just magically going to onboard 100K new government employees - for positions that are actually important and require someone of actual competence?

And thanks for the sweet link to the advocacy group for SROs.

I still haven't heard you quote any cost/benefit numbers.

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guess what? we could have taken that 40B and funded a resource officer in every public school in America for a decade.

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Sure. More government employees! What other government employees could we have spent the $40B on? Why stop at just SROs? My local park has the "potential for crime" - why not a PRO at every park?

I am EXPLICITLY arguing that there is no actual problem of mass shootings in schools. They are extremely rare. It's almost certainly vastly more dangerous to drive to school than to be at school. Perhaps a government Car Resource Officer for every commuting vehicle?

Surely you were on the side of understanding we massively over-reacted to the risks of Covid - risks that were WAY higher than the risks of school shooting. Why are you over-reacting to shootings - and so eager to "solve" the problem with more government employees? Seems out of character for you.

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I am EXPLICITLY arguing that there is no actual problem of mass shootings in schools.

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Go tell that to EVERY SINGLE ELECTED DEMOCRAT in this country, or else stfu about it.

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No way to measure that, but there are many, well documented cases of resource officers stopping or foiling shooters.

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LINK

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FWIW from JAMA

This study examined a total of 133 cases of school shootings and attempted school shootings from 1980 to 2019. Perpetrators’ ages ranged from 10 to 53; however, only 16 shooters (11%) were aged 22 years or older. Ninety-four perpetrators (70%) were current students, and 21 perpetrators (15%) were former students. Of all perpetrators, 83 (76%) were White and 148 (98%) were male. Of 121 cases with full information, 57 (47.11%) were targeted shootings. There were 134 shootings, 12 with more than one shooter. A mean (SD) of 1.34 (3.25) people per case were killed and 3.15 (5.06) per case were injured, with a mean (SD) of 1.63 (1.22) weapons per shooting (primarily handguns; 68.66% [92 of 134]). An armed guard was on scene in 23.58% of shootings (29 of 123) (Table 1).

Based on theory, multivariate models include the presence of an armed guard and control for region, school type (public, nonpublic), and grade level (high school, elementary, other); location (urban, suburban, rural); use of lockdown drills; if the attack was targeted; total number of weapons brought to the scene; number of shooters; and weapon type. Results are presented as incident rate ratios in Table 2 and show armed guards were not associated with significant reduction in rates of injuries; in fact, controlling for the aforementioned factors of location and school characteristics, the rate of deaths was 2.83 times greater in schools with an armed guard present

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This is just one study but others have concluded with similar results. I'm still not necessarily opposed to the idea of having armed security but the role and training of these individuals should be to eliminate armed threats. Thats it. Not rent a cops, or resource officers or retired guys looking for a little extra cash.

This has been politicized. The left is anti-SRO, so its not surprising to see "research" to back that agenda up.

From the DOJ using FBI data...

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The commission’s conclusions are supported by research conducted by the U.S. Secret Service that
examined 41 attacks carried out in K–12 schools in the United States from 2008 to 2017. In 66 percent
of the cases, a security officer or SRO was assigned to the school on a full- or part-time basis. During
49 percent of the attacks the officer was on duty at the school. In almost 30 percent of the cases, the
officer or SRO made it to the scene of the attack within one minute. In contrast, there was only one
incident in which outside law enforcement was able to make it to the scene in less than one minute,
and in that case the officer was already on school grounds for other reasons. (National Threat
Assessment Center 2019)

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As of May 2020, there are 236 cases in the ASV database including both averted (168) and completed
(68) attacks. Of the total cases, 185 occurred at K–12 schools. Thirty-four of those cases involve SROs.
In a number of these cases, the SRO was an intended target. They go on to profile 12 of those cases where an intervening SRO helped to avert a larger death toll

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Perhaps not a deterrent - there's not much that can deter a psychopath - but certainly SRO's save lives. There are several cases outlined in this report, as well as the ones I cited earlier with a lazy, one page Google search.

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Maybe we can use some of the cops you assholes got fired after the defund movement

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I have been very vocal about the fact that the problem in high crime areas in the US is UNDER policing - just look at Europe, which has a markedly higher per capita police presence than the US. So don't lump me in with that defund nonsense. However, it is true that it's VERY hard to find qualified police of any kind right now. There are shortages all over the place.

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shite, we created a 60K army of TSA agents in just a few years.

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And how did THAT turn out? You are advocating for some things based on other things that are a disaster.

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Its not hard.

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Nah. It's hard.

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You just dont want to stop schools shootings.

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I would love to live in a rainbow and unicorn world where no risks exist at all. You continue to refuse to address actual risk numbers. The roads to school represent a veritable holocaust of children compared to what shootings cause - and yet I think it's highly unlikely you are advocating a massive new government hiring program to make sure those deaths are minimized. In other words - everything is a trade-off. You know that...it's just that on school shootings, you want the trade off to be zero vs infinite resources.

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But every other government building is cool? We legit protect so many things with guns, but when it comes to schools and children you draw the line?

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I just know that schools are the safest places in public life - and they are VERY safe. I'm certainly open to the idea of eliminating costly and ineffective government employees at lots of government buildings. And I am certainly willing to disband the TSA.

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$409,970.48 per school.

Sounds like a decent salary for 2-3 armed guards for each school in the US.

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Sure does sound like enough BUT the politicians lose the thrill of giving Zelensky a virtue signal BJ!

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Nah. Vacherie says we can just snap our fingers and hire 50K of these wizards

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Are there any measures you would support that would attempt to deter incidents or reduce casualties?

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Are there any measures you would support that would attempt to deter incidents or reduce casualties?

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Only a gun grab. Thats why he doesnt want the killing to stop.