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re: Here's a question for the pro-lock down crowd
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:13 pm to cahoots
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:13 pm to cahoots
quote:I would point out that it really isn't a matter of "total lockdown vs do nothing" although if you oppose lock down, the assholes equate that to "doing nothing".
Most people just don’t have the stomach to do nothing in the event of a catastrophe
quote:Yeah
t’s why we treat cancer patients with a 3% survival rate
But I don't go bankrupt 5 strangers down the road to get treatment for cancer.
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:14 pm to ShortyRob
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Would you bankrupt your entire family for life for any of those given time frames in order to guarantee they wouldn't catch the coronavirus?
Only to save their life, Corona Virus is less a threat to their lives than a car wreck. I’m mid 40s, teen kids. I don’t know what to do other than follow the law, because not doing so will guarantee an equally bad result. This seems a heavy price to pay (20% or greater unemployment, everyone’s life savings chopped in half, home values gonna plummet, etc) for something that may not even help. But I’m gonna lock down, pray, polish my rifle and eat all this damn food. I think my job is fairly safe, wifes probably isn’t but thankfully we built our life on my salary and save almost all hers.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:14 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m in the camp that believes it’s been here for months and I personally believe I’ve already contracted it and recovered
Not likely unless your ERs have been unusually busy and they just didn’t notice.
This virus sends a solid percentage to the hospital.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:16 pm to 4cubbies
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We’re far past that point though, aren’t we?
we were past that part before February and just didn't know it b/c China lied
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:16 pm to Argonaut
You’re ok with bankrupting yourself for 100 years? 
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:16 pm to BobBoucher
quote:
Not likely unless your ERs have been unusually busy and they just didn’t notice.
This virus sends a solid percentage to the hospital.
What’s a “solid percentage”? I’m a healthy female in my early 30s.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:17 pm to Jyrdis
Money doesn't spend when you're dead.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:18 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
If I could guarantee you that you had zero risk of catching the coronavirus in return for bankrupting yourself and not recovering for X years, what max value for X would you be OK with and take the deal?
This is not as preposterous a question as many are interpreting thus to be, though it does show that pure economics can be a bit harshly emotionless.
Legitimate follow up to set parameters: is everyone in America going to be pretty financially hurt no matter what my answer is? It’s going to be easier to take bankruptcy if you know that you and everyone else are going to be taking a bit of a hit anyway,
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:18 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
I’m a healthy female in my early 30s.
Pics?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:19 pm to Argonaut
quote:Here. Let me guarantee I'm fricked for life in return for avoiding a sub 1% risk!!!!
Money doesn't spend when you're dead.
Genius
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:19 pm to ShortyRob
For the record I down voted. This is exactly why you have a rainy day account. It's also why you go ahead and pay down debt when you can even though your interest rates low.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the concept of sunk cost
Is why we should do a 14 day lockdown now and get it over with. We've destroyed capital for around 9 days now and counting. We started shutting things down over a few deaths, so are we going to bring things back with a few deaths still happening? What do you win in that scenario?
Shut it down for 2 weeks, kill the virus, move on with life. Every day that passes is another day we're funding socialism for the lost economy.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:20 pm to ShortyRob
Pretty simple. Those you up voted are leaders. Those who down voters. Those who did nothing are the muddy middle.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:21 pm to ShortyRob
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Are you under the impression we are at risk of 600K dead?
If so, then, you have to answer how much lower that number would be doing lock down? Because THAT is the relevant number. It ain't like you're gonna save everyone.
I think all the math I've seen is extrapolating from a relatively small number and there is risk in that. The figures that compelled the US & Uk into action came from the Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team. Their number was in the low millions in terms of deaths. This was the image that freaked the UK and US government out.
I guess my point is. Eventually, if enough people die there will be tremendous pressure to do something, in particular in an election year. That something will end up being a lockdown. All roads point that way, and if that's true then, earlier is clearly better than later.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:21 pm to ShortyRob
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Here. Let me guarantee I'm fricked for life in return for avoiding a sub 1% risk!!!!
It isn't a sub 1% risk.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the problem is in a few weeks when we start relaxing things and the spread starts again
The real problem is month from now when you have tens of thousands of now immune corona survivors who will have no reason to fear going outside. How we manage that population will be interesting.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:23 pm to ShortyRob
And once the country is completely bankrupt, how long until the ChiCom army comes strolling across the Mexican and Canadian borders to "help us out"?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:23 pm to Hurricane Mike
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Is why we should do a 14 day lockdown now and get it over with.
that won't do shite though
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:24 pm to BobBoucher
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BobBoucher
Honest question...is the plan to stop social distancing one area of the country at a time to assure we have enough critical care and icu beds available? I know this may seem like a dumb question but we know the cases will spike when we come out of hiding. It seems like the only plan that might make sense.
Thoughts?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:25 pm to Argonaut
quote:
It isn't a sub 1% risk.
the total death rate in the US is well below 1% when you account for all the positives who weren't tested
with skewed testing and deaths, it's like 1.3% in the US
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