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Here's a question for the pro-lock down crowd
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:36 pm
If I could guarantee you that you had zero risk of catching the coronavirus in return for bankrupting yourself and not recovering for X years, what max value for X would you be OK with and take the deal?
1 year?
3 years?
5 Years?
10 Years?
1 year?
3 years?
5 Years?
10 Years?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:38 pm to SportTiger1
quote:Hilariously, 2 people with zero balls downvoted it, but won't go on record.
Following...
Typical
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:38 pm to ShortyRob
If they're right, then we're all going to believe the same thing soon enough. If they're not, the consequences are going to be deep.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:39 pm to ShortyRob
the problem is in a few weeks when we start relaxing things and the spread starts again
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:40 pm to ShortyRob
These people are very unrealistic as to how food gets to walmart and amazon.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:40 pm to Captain Rumbeard
quote:Not unless the death rate goes thru the roof.
If they're right, then we're all going to believe the same thing soon enough.
Hell. If you told me that the virus was going to kill 5 million Americans, there is still a limit as to how long I'd bankrupt myself in order to get some sort of "no coronavirus" guarantee. Because even at 5 million, the odds of dying are exceedingly low.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
the problem is in a few weeks when we start relaxing things and the spread starts again
Maybe fall/winter but yes, the alternative is the amount of people that show no symptoms is like 99% and we're all immune and don't know it... either case... all of this didn't make sense.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:That's not my question.
the problem is in a few weeks when we start relaxing things and the spread starts again
ALL risks have potential solutions. When one evaluates those solutions, one must assess if they themselves create harm. If they do, one must consider THAT harm in the equation.
So. Even if this fricking thing was gonna kill 4% of those infected, I wouldn't bankrupt myself for 5 years for a guarantee of not getting it. Would you?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
the problem is in a few weeks when we start relaxing things and the spread starts again
This^^ right here
I tried to ask what the goal of testing was and got DVed to hell.
Seems like too many are infected to flatten the curve.
But...what the hell do i know.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:43 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
the concept of sunk cost is going to become the major talking point
either we ride it out or we don't and test the theory underlying the policy
either we ride it out or we don't and test the theory underlying the policy
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:45 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
So. Even if this fricking thing was gonna kill 4% of those infected, I wouldn't bankrupt myself for 5 years for a guarantee of not getting it. Would you?
Nope. I'd rather die or wither away and at least leave my kids something.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:45 pm to loogaroo
quote:
This^^ right here
I tried to ask what the goal of testing was and got DVed to hell.
Seems like too many are infected to flatten the curve.
But...what the hell do i know.
The whole flatten the curve makes little sense with this bug as the vast majority die if they need hospital care and 95%+ die if they need a vent.
More beds isn't going to make much of a difference... these people are dead if they have to go to the hospital.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:48 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
My personal prediction- there will be more deaths in the USA from increases in chronic diseases, murder , and suicide from the stresses of social isolation and people’s economic failure than the virus itself
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:50 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
These ideas of social distancing were all floated with H1N1 and no one wanted to pay the price.
Hell, the major countries of the world lobbied the WHO to change the definition of a pandemic so they wouldn’t declare H1N1 a pandemic.
What changed?
Hell, the major countries of the world lobbied the WHO to change the definition of a pandemic so they wouldn’t declare H1N1 a pandemic.
What changed?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:53 pm to the808bass
quote:
What changed?
You know. OMB
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:57 pm to loogaroo
quote:
This^^ right here
I tried to ask what the goal of testing was and got DVed to hell.
Seems like too many are infected to flatten the curve.
But...what the hell do i know.
Testing allows for contact tracing. Which allows for targeted quarantines (those who have been exposed). This is how SK managed it.
Without testing, the only way to slow the spread is social distancing.
Or roughly 40% of a community achieve immunity. That also slows it.
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:00 pm to loogaroo
quote:
I tried to ask what the goal of testing was and got DVed to hell.
Is it just for data? A positive doesn’t affect treatment, does it?
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:01 pm to BobBoucher
quote:
Testing allows for contact tracing. Which allows for targeted quarantines (those who have been exposed). This is how SK managed it.
We’re far past that point though, aren’t we?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:02 pm to 4cubbies
It allows for targeted isolation instead of full scale shutdown
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