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Here's a question for the pro-lock down crowd

Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:36 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:36 pm
If I could guarantee you that you had zero risk of catching the coronavirus in return for bankrupting yourself and not recovering for X years, what max value for X would you be OK with and take the deal?

1 year?

3 years?

5 Years?

10 Years?
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:38 pm to
Following...
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:38 pm to
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Following...
Hilariously, 2 people with zero balls downvoted it, but won't go on record.

Typical
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
4104 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:38 pm to
If they're right, then we're all going to believe the same thing soon enough. If they're not, the consequences are going to be deep.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422565 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:39 pm to
the problem is in a few weeks when we start relaxing things and the spread starts again
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:40 pm to
These people are very unrealistic as to how food gets to walmart and amazon.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

If they're right, then we're all going to believe the same thing soon enough.
Not unless the death rate goes thru the roof.

Hell. If you told me that the virus was going to kill 5 million Americans, there is still a limit as to how long I'd bankrupt myself in order to get some sort of "no coronavirus" guarantee. Because even at 5 million, the odds of dying are exceedingly low.
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

the problem is in a few weeks when we start relaxing things and the spread starts again


Maybe fall/winter but yes, the alternative is the amount of people that show no symptoms is like 99% and we're all immune and don't know it... either case... all of this didn't make sense.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

the problem is in a few weeks when we start relaxing things and the spread starts again
That's not my question.

ALL risks have potential solutions. When one evaluates those solutions, one must assess if they themselves create harm. If they do, one must consider THAT harm in the equation.

So. Even if this fricking thing was gonna kill 4% of those infected, I wouldn't bankrupt myself for 5 years for a guarantee of not getting it. Would you?
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30675 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:42 pm to
quote:

the problem is in a few weeks when we start relaxing things and the spread starts again




This^^ right here

I tried to ask what the goal of testing was and got DVed to hell.

Seems like too many are infected to flatten the curve.

But...what the hell do i know.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422565 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:43 pm to
the concept of sunk cost is going to become the major talking point

either we ride it out or we don't and test the theory underlying the policy
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30675 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:45 pm to
quote:

So. Even if this fricking thing was gonna kill 4% of those infected, I wouldn't bankrupt myself for 5 years for a guarantee of not getting it. Would you?



Nope. I'd rather die or wither away and at least leave my kids something.
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:45 pm to
quote:

This^^ right here

I tried to ask what the goal of testing was and got DVed to hell.

Seems like too many are infected to flatten the curve.

But...what the hell do i know.


The whole flatten the curve makes little sense with this bug as the vast majority die if they need hospital care and 95%+ die if they need a vent.

More beds isn't going to make much of a difference... these people are dead if they have to go to the hospital.
Posted by nvcowboyfan
James Turner Street, Birmingham,UK
Member since Nov 2007
2954 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:48 pm to

My personal prediction- there will be more deaths in the USA from increases in chronic diseases, murder , and suicide from the stresses of social isolation and people’s economic failure than the virus itself
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111529 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:50 pm to
These ideas of social distancing were all floated with H1N1 and no one wanted to pay the price.

Hell, the major countries of the world lobbied the WHO to change the definition of a pandemic so they wouldn’t declare H1N1 a pandemic.

What changed?
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30675 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

What changed?


You know. OMB
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
16740 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:57 pm to
quote:

This^^ right here

I tried to ask what the goal of testing was and got DVed to hell.

Seems like too many are infected to flatten the curve.

But...what the hell do i know.



Testing allows for contact tracing. Which allows for targeted quarantines (those who have been exposed). This is how SK managed it.

Without testing, the only way to slow the spread is social distancing.

Or roughly 40% of a community achieve immunity. That also slows it.
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 7:58 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50164 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:00 pm to
quote:

I tried to ask what the goal of testing was and got DVed to hell.


Is it just for data? A positive doesn’t affect treatment, does it?
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 8:00 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50164 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:01 pm to
quote:


Testing allows for contact tracing. Which allows for targeted quarantines (those who have been exposed). This is how SK managed it.


We’re far past that point though, aren’t we?
Posted by Redleg Guy
Member since Nov 2012
2536 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:02 pm to
It allows for targeted isolation instead of full scale shutdown
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