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re: Help on this question in my daughter's AP US History class.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:32 pm to Suck Out West
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:32 pm to Suck Out West
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"Protests which occurred in the United States during the summer of 2020 after the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor can be partially blamed on the Founding Fathers' handling of the slavery question back in 1789.
Broad statement there. Are they saying founding fathers could have sent blacks back to Africa?
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:44 pm to mmcgrath
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Why don't you let your daughter answer the question, support her position with facts, and see how it is graded before working yourself up? AP History 1 is more about supporting your position with arguments than any right or wrong answer.
I'd say it was because many in this crowd are "woke" but they are a few levels of sensitivity beyond "woke".
Posted on 8/31/23 at 7:27 pm to Suck Out West
Why stop at 1789.Let's hit up John Smith at Jamestown in 1608.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 7:35 pm to AggieHank86
[quote]Partially? Yes, VERY partially.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 7:50 pm to MFn GIMP
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Stop using the language of the left.
Which words are you referring to? Social activist? I wasn’t using the term as an insult, but as term of fact. I don’t know any alternative. “Cultural Marxist”, maybe? Or perhaps “American Maoist”?
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It only moves the Overton Window leftward, even if used in a mocking way.
Naming and defining the methods of the left is the first step towards stopping the slide of the Overton Window.
I agree with you in principal that some terms are magic power words with intentional double meaning or hidden meaning, but social activist is pretty straight forward. Only its connotation as a universal moral good needs to be corrected.
Words like cis-gendered, or transphobic, or micro-aggressions, or safe spaces, or “silence is violence”, or “love is love” fall into the category of what you’re talking about. But even those words can be spoken if you are properly defining them and debunking them. I don’t think that gives them an Overton advantage.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:21 pm to Suck Out West
Disagree.
The Founding Fathers' decisions regarding slavery have nothing to do with fentanyl or drug dealing, or the culture of criminality that has exponentially increased the likelihood of violent interactions with law enforcement which allowed for Communists to prey on, and destroy, those owning property and businesses in urban areas in 2020.
The Founding Fathers' decisions regarding slavery have nothing to do with fentanyl or drug dealing, or the culture of criminality that has exponentially increased the likelihood of violent interactions with law enforcement which allowed for Communists to prey on, and destroy, those owning property and businesses in urban areas in 2020.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:30 pm to Suck Out West
is it a test or a pretext to a consideration?
did daughter cover all this in her readings?
part of being a good test taker is knowing the answer. being political in high school seems perilous.
let us know what comes of it.
did daughter cover all this in her readings?
part of being a good test taker is knowing the answer. being political in high school seems perilous.
let us know what comes of it.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:11 pm to KiwiHead
quote:yeah, those British were mentioned in context of a broader story
KiwiHead
showing who you are
again
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:12 pm to Suck Out West
quote:Good grief. This is Mao-level bull shite.
"Protests which occurred in the United States during the summer of 2020 after the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor can be partially blamed on the Founding Fathers' handling of the slavery question back in 1789.
Do you agree or disagree with the statement above? Justify."
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:20 pm to shinerfan
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They've recently come out with this talking point of how black slave ownership was almost wholly a matter of freed slaves purchasing their own family members and somehow being legally unable to free them. Of course this is bullshite and makes up an insignificant portion of black slave owners but it's become the go-to deflection.
That argument is easily dismissed with a little research.
There’s records of slave sales and who bought them.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:22 pm to loogaroo
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That argument is easily dismissed with a little research
Research you say?
You mean Google?
You wanna bet what articles the algorithm WON'T put on the first page?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:25 pm to Suck Out West
I teach APUSH in Alabama and I can’t possibly fathom this question or anything like it being on the AP exam.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:39 pm to Taxing Authority
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Good grief. This is Mao-level bull shite.
I learned a very important technique at LSU. I learned to walk up to profs and ask that if I turned in an assignment with well reasoned arguments that the prof disagreed with, did I stand a chance? If not, I'd be willing to write a new version of the Little Red Book. I asked as soon as the syllabi were handed out in anything approaching a humanities class.
Nobody is changing a professor, TA, or teacher's mind.
On my AP US History exam in the 90s, I wrote that women's suffrage was a *bad* thing for the United States. Even with a bunch of military brat classmates, they were stunned and told me my score would be violated sideways with a canoe. I got a 4.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:50 pm to Cheese Grits
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Ex military modern cops work one way, old school beat cops work another. I am old enough to know the difference.
Which has nothing to do with the FACT that lifetime felon George Floyd died of a Fentanyl OD, and it just happened to be while a cop was restraining him.
Subsequently, it was used to justify lawless riots and property destruction all over the USA.
It is asinine and blatantly promoting Marxist propaganda to argue otherwise.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:14 pm to Suck Out West
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can be partially blamed on the Founding Fathers' handling of the slavery question back in 1789.
Correct, if the founding fathers had gone against the rest of the world and not allowed slavery blacks would not have been imported into the United States and George Floyd and Breonna Taylor would never have been born. Problem solved.
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:31 pm to Suck Out West
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"Protests which occurred in the United States during the summer of 2020 after the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor can be partially blamed on the Founding Fathers' handling of the slavery question back in 1789.
Do you agree or disagree with the statement above? Justify."
This is FAR from education. It’s blatant indoctrination, and incredibly littered with an anti-American agenda.
Of course I don’t agree. It’s infantile. The founding fathers were trying to keep a union of colonies together in an attempt to form a new nation, and so concessions were made to keep that fragile union together. They were not trying to right the wrongs of the world. They were trying to survive to fight another day, and they would have to fight again only a couple of decades later when the British returned for round 2, but not before being immediately tested by the Barbary Pirates and war with Tripoli and Algiers.
What incredibly stupid questioning.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:31 pm to Mike da Tigah
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The founding fathers were trying to keep a union of colonies together in an attempt to form a new nation, and so concessions were made to keep that fragile union together
Who in the last 20 years understands that except people that were taught by their parents? Constant arguments about the 3/5 compromise are proof.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:32 pm to Tantal
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I can guarantee that if she doesn't blame the Founders and agree that the nation was founded upon racism that the grade will not be good.
Instilling the “values” of selling out yourself just so some schmuck feels better about the miserable existence they have created through their own inactions/actions.
Yea sure these “educators “ deserve a raise (about 3’ off their feet from a solid uppercut!) This particular teacher should be paid in 1970’s teachers wages!
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:40 pm to Sidicous
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Instilling the “values” of selling out yourself just so some schmuck feels better about the miserable existence they have created through their own inactions/actions.
Don't lie, cheat, or steal. Early is on time.
Congrats, new parents, I've given you your manual. Your kid will succeed whether they are a roofer or have a marketing degree.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:45 pm to Suck Out West
quote:The argument she is looking for is obvious but is so removed from nuance and the following 250 years of history that it's a worthless soapbox question.
I still don't understand how this effects the interaction between police and Floyd or Taylor for that matter some 250 years later.
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