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Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:14 pm to boosiebadazz
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This is a strange positron to take. Why should secular society incentivize you to make an intensely personal decision on whether you want to have and raise a baby?
I get tax breaks and considerations on the back end, but this thread reads to me as it’s up to the government to cajole you into having kids.
Holy shite! Boosie coming in with something I can agree with. What the hell?
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:16 pm to inelishaitrust
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Parenthood and especially motherhood offer very few benefits in the present
What does that even mean?
What "benefits" have there ever been beyond having the child and raising it?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:19 pm to djmed
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While she's uncertain about the existence of incentives for motherhood in the past, she confidently says that there are no incentives whatsoever at present.
When she realizes that after a certain age she will spend every holiday and birthday and Mother's day alone, and then she'll die alone, she'll change her mind.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:19 pm to djmed
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For ages, motherhood has served as humanity's primary method of reproduction
just curious, but what are the secondary methods of reproduction?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:19 pm to boosiebadazz
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This is a strange position to take. Why should secular society incentivize you to make an intensely personal decision on whether you want to have and raise a baby? I get tax breaks and considerations on the back end, but this thread reads to me as it’s up to the government to cajole you into having kids.
Well, mothers used to not have to have jobs in addition to being mothers. Today, economic realities have forced women to be breadwinners and mothers, two jobs which cannot be effectively done simultaneously. So, they have to dedicate a significant portion of their income to daycare and outsource most child-rearing to ill-equipped public schools.
You are chastising the woman in OP for being selfish and naive, but her problems are really macroeconomic and impact EVERYONE. We will see complete economic collapses in much of the developed world due to low birth rates as there will be a crunch of too few workers to provide retirement and healthcare to the elderly who outnumber them.
The solution in the macro is for policies which either make being a single working mother easier or to make working as a mother unnecessary by wages and purchasing power affording families a decent life off of one working breadwinner.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:20 pm to kingbob
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You are chastising the woman in OP for being selfish and naive, but her problems are really macroeconomic and impact EVERYONE.
Yet millions of mothers do it successfully.
And she can't
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:21 pm to djmed
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the TikToker states
Found the problem.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Just because people persist in a bad situation doesn’t mean that reforming said system isn’t something which should happen.
I got great grades in high school. That doesn’t mean that I think the schools I attended couldn’t use some serious changes to curriculum and policy. The system worked for me, and/or I effectively adapted to it, but that doesn’t make it a good system.
I got great grades in high school. That doesn’t mean that I think the schools I attended couldn’t use some serious changes to curriculum and policy. The system worked for me, and/or I effectively adapted to it, but that doesn’t make it a good system.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:24 pm to BamaGradinTn
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When she realizes that after a certain age she will spend every holiday and birthday and Mother's day alone, and then she'll die alone, she'll change her mind.
These women just refuse to make sacrifices to have kids. they don't realize millennia's of women and men have done this to have children before her.
She's not special, just soft and incapable of independent thought.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:24 pm to kingbob
My wife doesn’t work and we live within our means so she can stay home and raise the kids in their formative years.
We had them in our mid-thirties after we were married and financially in a position to do so.
A lot of folks blame macro policies for the decisions they make on a micro level.
We had them in our mid-thirties after we were married and financially in a position to do so.
A lot of folks blame macro policies for the decisions they make on a micro level.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:25 pm to kingbob
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Just because people persist in a bad situation doesn’t mean that reforming said system isn’t something which should happen.
Honestly, if someone requires reformation of a system in order to have children we should never encourage them to have children.
the kids deserve better.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:27 pm to kingbob
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Well, mothers used to not have to have jobs in addition to being mothers. Today, economic realities have forced women to be breadwinners and mothers, two jobs which cannot be effectively done simultaneously.
Choices. It's all choices. Notice that many illegals and all of the Amish and Menonite families have many, many children, and mothers at home taking care of them? Do they not suffer from the same economic realities? Of course they do. But they do not choose to pursue a lifestyle that requires a second income. They overwhelmingly choose to have children with a husband, instead of having casual sex with randoms until they come up pregnant.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:27 pm to boosiebadazz
And it is macro circumstances which delayed you from being able to achieve financial stability for raising children until your mid 2
30’s, while your grandpa could afford to be a sole breadwinner to multiple kids at 22. Macro economics took 10+ years of child rearing off your life
30’s, while your grandpa could afford to be a sole breadwinner to multiple kids at 22. Macro economics took 10+ years of child rearing off your life
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:28 pm to BamaGradinTn
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the TikToker states
Found the problem.
Her attitude exists but I do think its a small segment of society.
But it seems to be growing. If you need reasons to put off stuff, you'll find reasons to put it off.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You are chastising the woman in OP for being selfish and naive, but her problems are really macroeconomic and impact EVERYONE.
Yet millions of mothers do it successfully.
And she can't
She can. She just doesn't want to. This is what social media does. It produces entitled, narcissistic bitches. Maybe not everyone. But lots of them. The "hey, look at me" generation. It started with Facebook and people having to post photos or their dinner plate. Then the stupid TikTok videos. They think the planet revolves around them.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:29 pm to troyt37
Today, those people are outliers, and it’s not because of pure preferences. 50 years ago, it was the standard. The people who didn’t have that lifestyle were the outliers.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:29 pm to boosiebadazz
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My wife doesn’t work and we live within our means so she can stay home and raise the kids in their formative years.
We had them in our mid-thirties after we were married and financially in a position to do so.
A lot of folks blame macro policies for the divisions they make on a micro level.
Are you okay? You sound positively red-pilled today, and it is creeping me the hell out.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:29 pm to kingbob
Not really. It was a personal decision to pursue graduate education and finding someone worthy of having children with.
I understand what you’re getting at for a certain subset of folks, but the truth is their consumption habits are largely out of whack with their income ability.
I understand what you’re getting at for a certain subset of folks, but the truth is their consumption habits are largely out of whack with their income ability.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:30 pm to troyt37
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Notice that many illegals and all of the Amish and Menonite families have many, many children, and mothers at home taking care of them?
In many cultures, multiple children are the safety net for the parents when they get old. They don't expect government to meet all of their needs.
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