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re: Has The Covid Vaccine Hurt The Vaccine Industry As A Whole?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:05 am to LuckyTiger
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:05 am to LuckyTiger
Didnt tiguar ban himself over this and Dr RogerKlarvin hasnt been seen either
Crazy4lsu still believes
Crazy4lsu still believes
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:08 am to LuckyTiger
COVID exposed a lot in the medical profession as corporate stooges, puppets, and/or not very bright.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:08 am to crazy4lsu
Thank you.
If you will, please, a couple more of your opinions on the subject…
Your thoughts on Malone’s statements regarding supposed dna fragments in Covid vaccines?
Is it fair to say that we don’t know the long term effects of the Covid vaccines?
Do you have any concerns or unresolved thoughts regarding the Covid vaccines?
If you will, please, a couple more of your opinions on the subject…
Your thoughts on Malone’s statements regarding supposed dna fragments in Covid vaccines?
Is it fair to say that we don’t know the long term effects of the Covid vaccines?
Do you have any concerns or unresolved thoughts regarding the Covid vaccines?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:34 am to LuckyTiger
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Your thoughts on Malone’s statements regarding supposed dna fragments in Covid vaccines?
Do you have a specific reference? I'd rather rebut that specific claim than some blanket statement.
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Is it fair to say that we don’t know the long term effects of the Covid vaccines?
Well, if there was a long-term effect, it would/will show up on histology for one specific reason. Which is, there are limited patterns of cellular injury in the human body. For example, there are a group of renal glomerular disease called Nephritic syndromes, which are good examples for pathology in general. In nephritic syndrome, you have glomerular inflammation (the glomerulus is the basic unit of filtration in the nephron, which is the basic functional unit of the kidney) which causes damage to the glomerular basement membrane (the layer of tissue which attaches the epithelial cell layer to the underlying tissue layers) which causes an associated set of signs and symptoms within a clinical presentation, which we call a syndrome. Likewise, the mechanism of any long-term effect would be mediated by a specific cellular injury pattern involving specific molecules. That would lead to a clinical presentation. Those presentations would be relatively syndromic.
At this point, given the number of doses administered of these vaccines, it probably doesn't have any long term effects. Vaccine injuries have more acute presentations.
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Do you have any concerns or unresolved thoughts regarding the Covid vaccines?
Just that they aren't really effective. There were lots of wasted opportunities since we are led by myopic morons.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:36 am to LuckyTiger
Yes. Medicine and Politics should never mix again.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:43 am to crazy4lsu
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public institutions failed massively in explaining basic epidemiological concepts
Like the CDC "explaining basic epidemiological concepts" such as what the public should do at the outset of a novel pandemic when the CDC leaves the entirety of America with fewer functional test kits than the Republic of Haiti?
Like the NIH "explaining basic epidemiological concepts" such as how CV19 originated from bat soup or pangolin piss?
Like Fauci "explaining basic epidemiological concepts" such as how gain-of-function research is "worth it" even if the research leads to a horrible pandemic, and explaining it while he's wearing a frigging Washington Nationals cloth mask as a supposed antiviral deterrent?
Like "explaining basic epidemiological concepts" such as why we should be force-vaxxing PK-6th graders under an EUA?
I'd posit that failing to explain basic epidemiological concepts was the very least of "public institutions' failure"
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:48 am to NC_Tigah
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I'd posit that failing to explain basic epidemiological concepts was the very least of "public institutions' failure"
But I'm talking about how the lack of conceptual epidemiological education is related to vaccine skepticism at large. It wasn't a claim about what the greatest failure of those public institutions, just highlighting the effect of one of its many failures.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:02 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Such as why we should be force-vaxxing PK-6th graders under an EUA?
the lack of conceptual epidemiological education
Shutting down public schools for >1yr?
Shutting down public parks?
Like the CDC taking its epidemiologic peds marching orders from the Teacher's Union?
We can probably agree "the lack of conceptual epidemiological education" stems from a complete failure to follow science on the part of our public institutions.
If public health institutions fail to follow science, it stands to reason Joe 6-pk might, as well.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 9:05 am
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:07 am to NC_Tigah
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If public health institutions fail to follow science, it stands to reason Joe 6-pk might, as well.
I mean, the sloppiness of someone else does not justify your own sloppiness. We have a specific method and it is easy to return to that method without giving the public at large a justification to distrust us further.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:11 am to crazy4lsu
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We have a specific method and it is easy to return to that method without giving the public at large a justification to distrust us further.
if you are an 'us', then you earned that distrust.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:15 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Sloppiness?
I mean, the sloppiness of someone else does not justify your own sloppiness
How is Joe 6-pk "sloppy" when he is left to choose between bullshite from Fauci vs bullshite from Malone? How is Joe 6-pk "sloppy" when he actually ferrets out and identifies lie, after lie, after lie from public "authorities," as well as in the coverage of and for those lies from the press?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:17 am to OccamsStubble
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if you are an 'us', then you earned that distrust.
The "experts" choose to pretend that that distrust occurred in a vacuum and wasn't completely EARNED by a combination of their arrogance, greed, lack of ethics and all around dishonesty.
It wasn't simply a case of millions of rubes waking up one day and deciding to ignore them, the distrust was EARNED by a series of bad, often nefarious decisions followed by lectures and threats.
Throw out all the impressive technical jargon you'd like, but if you are surrounded by liars trying to make a buck, all that "good" advice will be dismissed .
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:18 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Trust is never easy to return after transgression.
it is easy to return to that method without giving the public at large
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:18 am to NC_Tigah
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when he actually ferrets out and identifies lie, after lie, after lie from public "authorities," as well as in the coverage of and for those lies from the press?
And don't forget, these jabs were being pushed OBSESSIVELY by people who have all the integrity and subtlety of cartoonish Bond villains, so naturally people were skeptical.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:21 am to NC_Tigah
Because the arguments that have been offered are generally sloppy? It hadn't been the case that they are simply pointing out lies, because they seem to retreat to other narratives, which we can also assess. This isn't happening in a vacuum. And it isn't like I'm holding the average person to a standard different from one I hold myself. Either we have to be principled or give in to nonsense.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:22 am to NC_Tigah
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Trust is never easy to return after transgression.
I mean, the amount of actual distrust I've experienced is mostly online and not in person.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:24 am to NC_Tigah
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I'd posit that failing to explain basic epidemiological concepts was the very least of "public institutions' failure"
Let's say this kindly old lady offers you an apple and you politely decline.
She then threatens to cut off your dogs' head if you don't eat the gddamned apple....shouldn't we be at least a little suspicious ?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:25 am to LuckyTiger
Only vaccines I've had were when I was a baby. Never had the flu and sure as shite not taking the flu vax
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:46 am to LuckyTiger
Without question. I used to take the flu vaxx every year. I'll never take another vaccine of any kind.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:49 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Maybe I'm misunderstanding?
it isn't like I'm holding the average person to a standard different from one I hold myself.
Are you not a physician?
You're holding the average person to a standard of medical understanding no different than the one you hold yourself to?
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