re: Has The Covid Vaccine Hurt The Vaccine Industry As A Whole?

"I'm from the government to help you"

If Ford sold millions of cars without a motor in them, with legal immunity from any consequences, would it hurt the automobile industry?

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Off the charts Narcissism

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Yeah, I'm at a bit of a loss here.

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Some people live in a bubble.

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lol. On the ground level, the vast majority of patients do not care about these issues. Again, the distrust is mostly online. It might manifest in some way later in my career but I haven’t seen any effect at the ground level. Maybe you are the one in the bubble?

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Either you're quite naive, or your experience is very different than most

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I don’t think my experience is all that different from my colleagues to be real.

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I don’t think my experience

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Similar experiences can lead to very different conclusions.

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Off the charts Narcissism, the refusal to begin to see who obtuse and wrong he and his people are in this thing.

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Non-western thinking.

I blame the medical community as a whole for out right just spouting bullshite.

No matter what side you sat on you could find a doctor saying something stupid on tv.

Or some perceived expert saying dumb shite.

Then people had to plant their foot in the ground on this mRNA shot but I don’t see people asking if I’ve received other vaccines that are constantly advertised.

Or like the thread from a while ago, no one asks me if I had my DTP vaccine.

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Do you have a specific reference? I'd rather rebut that specific claim than some blanket statement.

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This is the specific reference (all quoted material is from the AP):

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testimony from Dr. Robert Malone, who played a role in developing the messenger RNA, or mRNA, technology used in the vaccine, claiming the shot includes a DNA sequence called Simian Virus 40, or SV40. “The sequence leaves behind residual DNA that could cause problems. We have now learned that these products are contaminated and the current arm-wrestling is whether or not that level of contamination meets the criteria for the federal CFR [Code of Federal Regulations] statute that defines adulteration, Malone explained. “The FDA denies that they meet that criteria and yet they appear in many laboratories to have met that criteria.”

Malone slammed the FDA’s lax approach, telling lawmakers that "normally and historically rigorous genotoxicity and insertional mutagenesis tests are done to ensure the safety of the product. The rules are, you don’t draw a conclusion without data,” Malone said. In molecular biology, genotoxicity is the property of chemical agents that damage the genetic information within a cell causing mutations, which may lead to cancer and defects. Insertional mutagenesis is the creation of mutations in DNA by the addition of one or more DNA base pairs, disrupting gene function.

“The FDA historically has drafted guidelines that pharma can choose to follow or not, but if they don’t follow them, it’s going to be harder to get the [vaccine] through,” Malone explained. "In the development of the products, plasmid DNA vectors are used for in vitro transcription in the vaccines, and are then supposed to be degraded and purified so that they no longer pose a problem. But the process is apparently not very good,” Malone said. “We now have the most highly effective, highly active non-viral delivery system in the history of man,” Malone said of the mRNA injections. “And we now know that that’s delivering not just RNA, but also DNA fragments.”

He added that normally, there’s supposed to be a “tension” between the pharmaceutical company and the FDA that results in a product that is safe for the public. "However, Pfizer told the FDA that it would not do the needed rigorous genotoxicity studies and the FDA basically said, 'okay, not problem.' So the FDA does not have the data to support this claim they’re making,” Malone said. He described the FDA’s dismissal of the DNA fragments as “stonewalling.”

"In its mRNA patent, Moderna even admits that the presence of DNA sequences vaccines is problematic," Malone noted. “In that [patent], Moderna explicitly acknowledges that RNA is superior to DNA for vaccine purposes because problems, including the possibility of insertional mutagenesis which could lead to the activation of arcA genes or integration of tumor suppressor genes,” he said, reading from the patent. “FDA says, they’re not aware of any concerns but Moderna in its own patent lays out exactly the same concerns that exists about DNA and insertional mutagenesis and genotoxicity ,” Malone explained. “They took these standard plasma maps that are generated through programs we all have access to, and they deleted the little notation that said there’s SV40 sequences in there. The FDA, apparently, out of I can only think incompetence, didn’t take the raw DNA sequences, reconstruct those plasmid maps, and look at those themselves,” he said. “They just took for granted what Pfizer had given them.

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Here is the response from the US government (NIAID):

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Government regulatory agencies and vaccine experts told The Associated Press that the Simian Virus itself isn’t present in the vaccine, and there’s no evidence anything contained in the vaccine could alter a person’s DNA or lead to cancer and other illnesses.

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Here is the response from the FDA:

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The FDA recently issued a statement on the issue: “With over a billion doses of the mRNA vaccines administered, no safety concerns related to the sequence of, or amount of, residual DNA have been identified,” the FDA said. “In general, with regard to the mRNA vaccines, while concerns have been raised previously as theoretical issues, available scientific evidence supports the conclusion that the vaccines are safe and effective. The FDA stands behind its findings of quality, safety, and efficacy for the mRNA vaccines.”

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Here is the response from the EU:

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The European Medicines Agency, which regulates vaccines in European Union nations, explained that “non-functional” fragments of SV40’s DNA sequence are used as “starting material” in producing the vaccine. But they’re mostly being broken down and mostly removed in the manufacturing process. Trace amounts might remain at “very low levels” in the final product, the agency and others acknowledged, but they are well within established safety guidelines.“ EMA has seen no evidence of an association between mRNA vaccines and adverse events that could be linked to the presence of DNA material, nor are we aware of any scientific evidence showing that the very small amounts of residual DNA that may be present in vaccine batches could integrate into the DNA of vaccinated individuals,” the Amsterdam-based agency wrote in an emailed statement.

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