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Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:20 pm to reddy tiger
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Since science and public health experts tend to skew left, right wing media and influencers have bamboozled you idiots for political gain. It’s a bad long term strategy. Conservatives died at much higher rates after the vaccine was introduced. And as childhood diseases creep back into America, it’s innocent children of conservative retards that’ll be disproportionately affected.
You don't think certain entities like Fauci, the WHO, the government, mainstream media censoring and outright denying possibilities of lab leak and other covid info, China, Cuomo, Pfizer, etc...bear any responsibility for that outcome?
Just right wing media?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:29 pm to LuckyTiger
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You don't think certain entities like Fauci, the WHO, the government, mainstream media censoring and outright denying possibilities of lab leak and other covid info, China, Cuomo, Pfizer, etc...bear any responsibility for that outcome?
You only think those things because of right wing media. No critical, objective examination of the evidence supports these batshit positions.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:01 pm to reddy tiger
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You only think those things because of right wing media. No critical, objective examination of the evidence supports these batshit positions.
How about your critical, objective examination of the lies that were constantly told
"Doesn't matter if you already had COVID, you still need to be vaccinated"
"If you're vaccinated, you can't get sick or spread the virus but still wear your mask"
With all due respect, it looks like you are the one in the batshit postion, sir
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:30 pm to reddy tiger
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You only think those things because of right wing media. No critical, objective examination of the evidence supports these batshit positions.
Fauci didn't offer false and conflicting info on covid and the vaccine?
The WHO didn't dismiss the possibility of a lab leak?
The government didn't offer conflicting and false info on covid and the vaccine?
Media didn't censor and deny possibilities of a lab leak and other covid info?
China bears no responsibility?
Cuomo bears no responsibility for his decisions and info regarding nursing homes?
Pfizer has been transparent and forthcoming?
Those are your positions? And having doubts about those positions is the fault of ignorance and right wing media?
That is what you are saying, just to be clear?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:40 pm to reddy tiger
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Conservatives died at much higher rates after the vaccine was introduced.
Yeah bc most conservatives are old(er.)
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:17 am to Rick9Plus
“Inside,docs remain focused on quality of care and patients best interest.”
NC_Tigah. I generally enjoy your posts and respect you as pretty knowledgeable.
But,I have to disagree with you somewhat on this.
I was pretty disgusted with a whole lot of Drs.I knew during the Covid fiasco.Way too many of them drank the Koolaid and pushed the shot on any and everybody,assuring their pts.it was safe and effective,they were endangering their lives if they didn’t take it,etc.I had an old Dr I once respected told me that exact thing.Pushing masks on everybody when they should have known a surgical or cloth mask wasn’t going to protect them.I had a class on masks in ICU and knew the only mask of any value was an N-95 of proper size and being fit tested.I actually saw a few Drs.wearing cloth masks.
I think recommending the shot was good advice for some pts,over 65 and those with co-morbidities.That was Dr. Robert Malone’s recommendation.He said we don’t
know the long term side effects,he was right.
I think most were afraid to buck the system,many were blinded by the $40 they got for every shot they gave plus bonuses for reaching certain thresholds.Maybe they were just ignorant.
I worked 35 years as a nurse and I learned not to trust anything new,I remember fen-phen,Vioxx,Bextra and that’s why I and a lot of other old nurses refused it.Yet,most Drs.wholeheartedly jumped on the Covid jab bandwagon.Surely they should have remembered the same things.
Then most refused to give ivermectin and some ridiculed it as horse wormer and declared it dangerous,same for hydroxychloroquine.They knew better,or should have.
I haven’t had a primary care Dr.since I left home as a teenager until last year at age of 72,I was forced to by my Medicare Advantage plan.
I can truthfully say in all my years working I never dealt with a Family Practice,GP or Internist that inspired any confidence in me to see them as a pt.
I hurt my shoulder,I went to an orthopedic Dr.,I had diverticulitis I went to a surgeon.
Sleep apnea,I went to an ENT.
The reason I chose the primary Dr.I did is because I found out through the nurse grapevine that he had acquired a large stash of ivermectin and gave it to his pts.at no charge after swearing them to secrecy.He also didn’t push the Covid shot on everybody that came in the door,if they wanted it he gave it.Otherwise he only recommended it to certain pts.
According to his office nurse,he got a lot of blowback from the other Docs in the clinic.Eventually one of the other Drs, started using it after he saw the benefit.Another Dr, that has a very good reputation never bent the knee.Too stubborn or chicken$hit (or ignorant).
That’s the kind of Dr.I respect.
NC_Tigah. I generally enjoy your posts and respect you as pretty knowledgeable.
But,I have to disagree with you somewhat on this.
I was pretty disgusted with a whole lot of Drs.I knew during the Covid fiasco.Way too many of them drank the Koolaid and pushed the shot on any and everybody,assuring their pts.it was safe and effective,they were endangering their lives if they didn’t take it,etc.I had an old Dr I once respected told me that exact thing.Pushing masks on everybody when they should have known a surgical or cloth mask wasn’t going to protect them.I had a class on masks in ICU and knew the only mask of any value was an N-95 of proper size and being fit tested.I actually saw a few Drs.wearing cloth masks.
I think recommending the shot was good advice for some pts,over 65 and those with co-morbidities.That was Dr. Robert Malone’s recommendation.He said we don’t
know the long term side effects,he was right.
I think most were afraid to buck the system,many were blinded by the $40 they got for every shot they gave plus bonuses for reaching certain thresholds.Maybe they were just ignorant.
I worked 35 years as a nurse and I learned not to trust anything new,I remember fen-phen,Vioxx,Bextra and that’s why I and a lot of other old nurses refused it.Yet,most Drs.wholeheartedly jumped on the Covid jab bandwagon.Surely they should have remembered the same things.
Then most refused to give ivermectin and some ridiculed it as horse wormer and declared it dangerous,same for hydroxychloroquine.They knew better,or should have.
I haven’t had a primary care Dr.since I left home as a teenager until last year at age of 72,I was forced to by my Medicare Advantage plan.
I can truthfully say in all my years working I never dealt with a Family Practice,GP or Internist that inspired any confidence in me to see them as a pt.
I hurt my shoulder,I went to an orthopedic Dr.,I had diverticulitis I went to a surgeon.
Sleep apnea,I went to an ENT.
The reason I chose the primary Dr.I did is because I found out through the nurse grapevine that he had acquired a large stash of ivermectin and gave it to his pts.at no charge after swearing them to secrecy.He also didn’t push the Covid shot on everybody that came in the door,if they wanted it he gave it.Otherwise he only recommended it to certain pts.
According to his office nurse,he got a lot of blowback from the other Docs in the clinic.Eventually one of the other Drs, started using it after he saw the benefit.Another Dr, that has a very good reputation never bent the knee.Too stubborn or chicken$hit (or ignorant).
That’s the kind of Dr.I respect.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:28 am to LSUA 75
“pharmacists, on the other hand are the most corrupt pieces of crap”
Pretty harsh don’t you think.Like labeling all nurses as whores.
I’ve known a hell of a lot of pharmacists in my working career and labeling them all as corrupt is unwarranted.
I’ve read of pharmicists being arrested for illegal $hit but it’s very rare considering the large number of them in the US.
Pretty harsh don’t you think.Like labeling all nurses as whores.
I’ve known a hell of a lot of pharmacists in my working career and labeling them all as corrupt is unwarranted.
I’ve read of pharmicists being arrested for illegal $hit but it’s very rare considering the large number of them in the US.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:08 am to LuckyTiger
Im not letting the VA even give me a damned tetanus shot. Who knows what's really in that bottle.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:23 am to LuckyTiger
I'll regain a small amount of trust in any vaccine only after we remove big pharma from being protected against lawsuits.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:59 am to LuckyTiger
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Has the Covid vaccine damaged people’s confidence in not only that vaccine, but in other vaccines as well?
Yeah. Although there also has been the opposite effect in the young, from what I've noticed.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 4:14 am to LSUA 75
quote:If I'd have seen that, I'd feel the same way.
I actually saw a few Drs.wearing cloth masks.
Re: Surgical masks ... if everyone is wearing them in a clinical setting, there is some protection. Cloth masks are worthless. In fact, in some instances they are worse than no mask at all.
quote:In fairness, my comments were heavily tilted toward specialists/subspecialists, rather than primary practitioners. My contact with the primary practice world is virtually nil except for personal care. TBH, it's a skew I'd not even taken into consideration until you noted your experiences.
I hurt my shoulder,I went to an orthopedic Dr.,I had diverticulitis I went to a surgeon.
Sleep apnea,I went to an ENT.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 4:42 am to LuckyTiger
Yes it has. It has damaged the pharmaceutical industry, the medical profession and the CDC to the point where ordinary Americans don’t trust them anymore.
These entities let themselves be used in the stealing of an American election.
There is no going back from that.
These entities let themselves be used in the stealing of an American election.
There is no going back from that.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 5:14 am to Bass Tiger
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Every major institution is suffering from a trust and integrity standpoint . I don't know anyone personally who trusts the FBI, DOJ, IRS, Gaslight Media, intelligence agencies, judicial system, etc.
This ^^^ is not the fault of the American people, these institutions brought this lack of trust and integrity on themselves
All of those institutions were always corrupt. The average person just didn’t know it
Posted on 12/14/23 at 5:30 am to LuckyTiger
Yes.
Long answer. The big pharma has proven that they will give you medication that they know does more harm than good to make a dollar.
Some (me included) would contend that they want to harm you because their overloards are trying to reduce the worlds population.
I never got the covid shot. Now that the cat is out of the bag on mRNA shots how do I trust a product that I have always trusted in the past when I know it comes from a company that actively wants me to take shite that kills me.
If I won't take mRNA shots well what is there to stop them from putting it in other products to trick me into taking it???
Not saying I would never get another vaccine but forever I will be wondering if it is tainted with mRNA.
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For those that do not know. mRNA shots have been around for decades. There has never been a successful mRNA shot that did less harm than good. NEVER.
They want you dead is the old mantra. I guess the new mantra is they want you dead but also want to make as much money off of you before you croak as possible.
Long answer. The big pharma has proven that they will give you medication that they know does more harm than good to make a dollar.
Some (me included) would contend that they want to harm you because their overloards are trying to reduce the worlds population.
I never got the covid shot. Now that the cat is out of the bag on mRNA shots how do I trust a product that I have always trusted in the past when I know it comes from a company that actively wants me to take shite that kills me.
If I won't take mRNA shots well what is there to stop them from putting it in other products to trick me into taking it???
Not saying I would never get another vaccine but forever I will be wondering if it is tainted with mRNA.
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For those that do not know. mRNA shots have been around for decades. There has never been a successful mRNA shot that did less harm than good. NEVER.
They want you dead is the old mantra. I guess the new mantra is they want you dead but also want to make as much money off of you before you croak as possible.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 6:30 am to crazy4lsu
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Yeah. Although there also has been the opposite effect in the young, from what I've noticed.
Would you mind expanding on this reply, please?
How has it been damaged, and are those damages legitimately earned or are they unwarranted, iyo? And what specifically have you noticed in the young and what do you think is the cause of it?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:00 am to LuckyTiger
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How has it been damaged, and are those damages legitimately earned or are they unwarranted, iyo?
Not necessarily unwarranted, because public institutions failed massively in explaining basic epidemiological concepts. The dinosaurs in charge don't understand how social media works, and thus were unprepared for the basics of dealing with how to translate biologic concepts for the public.
At the same time vaccine skepticism and abstinence was already a trend before COVID and will obviously become more pronounced. In the worst case scenario, we will have to relive the public health nightmares that was associated with the beginnings of the discipline. The best case would be the status quo.
In terms of the young, I've had colleagues who have seen kids of people who were vocally anti-vax who want the vaccines. There are consequences for every type of argument, if that makes sense. There has been no mass death or even a consistent presentation of vaccine related injuries. The claims of people like Malone and McCullough, which were silly on their face, haven't borne fruit. Those sorts of arguments will have a reaction just as there is a reaction to the failure of public institutions.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:02 am to LuckyTiger
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But what about other vaccines? I’m hearing more people are forgoing the flu shot. And more people seem to be voicing caution over other marketed vaccines like the shingles vax and the meningitis vax.
Don’t worry, the globalists will use military power to force vaccines on everyone.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:03 am to LuckyTiger
Yes, it will.
Distrust of vaccines has always been a thing going back to smallpox inoculations in the 1700s, if not further.
Doing shite under cover of a vaccine people were heavily pressured to take that gets exposed down the road just reinforces the “wait and see” approach on a lot of this because the complete lack of trust means they don’t want to get permanently damaged by a rush to accept.
Distrust of vaccines has always been a thing going back to smallpox inoculations in the 1700s, if not further.
Doing shite under cover of a vaccine people were heavily pressured to take that gets exposed down the road just reinforces the “wait and see” approach on a lot of this because the complete lack of trust means they don’t want to get permanently damaged by a rush to accept.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:04 am to Revelator
The military they have now would have problems securing your average high school.
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