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re: Harvard: guns were used for self defense in less than 1% of crimes

Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:36 am to
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:36 am to
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I didn’t click the link, but I have many questions about the study the article is based on.


It's another bullshite "study".
You can't evaluate data that is not present. There is no way to know how many times the mere presence of a gun on a potential crime victim caused the criminal to just back off and walk away. But what do expect from a biased shithole like Harvard?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:42 am to
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Harvard: rape was used as a reason for abortion in less than 1% of cases.



FI.
Posted by Newgene
Waveland, MS
Member since Nov 2005
7279 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:47 am to
Gun ownership is a right, and in many cases, a need. The left try to drive focus onto only one.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:02 am to
Let me explain now that I have a moment why this "study" wasn't.

It was a great example of "studying" something you already know the answer to because of how you intend to construct your study.

1. They did a study of the likelihood your gun would protect you and INCLUDED in that study, EVERYONE. So, people who don't even own a gun contributed to the stat. But that's silly. Would you study the likelihood that Myless Brennan will throw a TD pass this year by including the passing how many games you expect his center to throw a TD pass? Then say, "no sense throwing because there's virtually no chance a person involve in a football game will throw a TD?"

2. But OK. Let's roll with their study. No stat of likelihood is useful unless you discuss comparables. So. They claim that in 1:100 cases, a person might use a gun to defend themselves. OK. So, that's 1 positive case even using their stupid approach to calculating the ratio. This is a good time to point out that like all of these studies, NOT included are the number of times the mere presence of a gun deterred the crime. In any case. As someone pointed out. How often do police stop a crime in progress to defend someone? I suspect the number is LOWER. Yet, I don't think Harvard will be advocating the elimination of police.

Bottom line. This is one of MANY "studies" done by people where the result is 100% known in advance because the result is designed IN to the "study".

Then, they foist it upon Americans who all fricking suck at numbers and viola'. Idiot journalists pick it up.


Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:22 am to
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I just don’t trust social science, at all, at this point.

It’s all too easy to get the answer you want.





And 97% of scientists think global warming is the most serious problem facing mankind!
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:40 am to
the percentage doesn't matter. it's the possibility that one might be needed. it's actually how america became an independent nation instead of still being a british colony. fortunately, those colonists didn't listen to the gun statistics
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62567 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:13 pm to
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Bottom line. This is one of MANY "studies" done by people where the result is 100% known in advance because the result is designed IN to the "study".

Then, they foist it upon Americans who all fricking suck at numbers and viola'. Idiot journalists pick it up.
yes. It’s a classic example of utter crap designed for the gullible. It works because the gullible can then say “well according to a Harvard study I read....” They think it makes them look smarter and intellectual. And it probably does amongst their equally ignorant peers.

In reality they are just parroting garbage that don’t even understand beyond the superficial headline that the study was crafted to generate.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
20698 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:16 pm to
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I do think that gun ownership should have required training.


I think voting should require you be gainfully employed and a test of your basic understanding of civics.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62567 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:21 pm to
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I think voting should require you be gainfully employed and a test of your basic understanding of civics.
And posting on the internet.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:23 pm to
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Gun ownership is a right, and in many cases, a need. The left try to drive focus onto only one.


Agreed.
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
46098 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:57 pm to
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do think that gun ownership should have required training.

Any other rights you think need to be means tested or have training?

What training and how much? Does this need to be done prior to owning or applying for ownership of said gun? Do you think there shou..never mind. Just easier to ignore.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by lsufanz
NOLA
Member since Dec 2008
4726 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:59 pm to
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How many times does a stewardess show off the personal flotation devices compared to the times they are used?
If she shows them off, I generally let her use them
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23049 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 1:09 pm to
Meme is bad because it was Huey Lewis not Phil Collins
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5360 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 1:16 pm to
Civilians kill over 3 times more criminals than cops. Thats around 3000 a year. Definitively not %1 of "homicides" if self defense is now called a "homicide." Let's put that in perspective. All rifles contributed to 374 murders while shotguns contributed to 300+. If self defense is divorced from homicides then one can say that homeowners killed roughly 5 times more criminals than criminals killed with long guns. Homeowners would even have killed more than revolvers used by criminals. And we haven't included how many perpetrators fled upon seeing an armed homeowner nor can we gauge how many were stopped by the fear of there being an armed homeowner.

Sure would be nice if Harvard would concentrate on real research rather than a biased glorified survey.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29333 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 2:31 pm to
What is the percentage of crimes stopped/prevented by law enforcement?
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30937 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 2:36 pm to
Damn,those motherfrickers at Harvard are geniuses.

Willing to bet,less than 1% of dehydration victims,die in a swimming pool.
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6842 posts
Posted on 4/14/18 at 2:41 pm to
I’ve used my gun to thwart crime, my wife has, and my mother has. That’s just in my immediate family. One was in Monroe, two were in north Jackson, and one was in Lafayette.

Is my family just prone to being targets of crime? Or is the study incorrect?
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 4/14/18 at 4:43 pm to
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