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Guns and the "Online" "Gun Show" Loopholes?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:10 am
Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:10 am
Why are so many people ignorant about gun laws?
For instance, Liberals are whipping up fear about online gun sales circumventing the background check system.
Fact. You can not legally take possession of a firearm you have bought online until you have successfully pass a background check. That means yes you can go online and sent your money to an online licensed firearm dealer. The licensed firearm dealer then ships the firearm to a local FFL (Federal Firearm Licensed) Dealer in your area where you then have to go to and fill out the required paperwork and complete a background check as if you purchased it locally, BEFORE you are legally allowed to take possession of the firearm.
Knowing many FFL holders I can tell you, they are serious about their responsibility. They do not cut corners because if they do and are caught they will be in world of federal shite.
If these laws are not being followed it is not a background check problem. But without data I would venture to say that this is not even close to the problem it is being whipped up to be.
Now if you want to close a legitimate loophole that legally allows the sale of a firearm without requiring a background check, require all person to person sales of firearms to go through a FFL dealer. This is how the El Paso shooter (iirc) obtained his gun because he could not buy one through other legal means the required a background check.
For instance, Liberals are whipping up fear about online gun sales circumventing the background check system.
Fact. You can not legally take possession of a firearm you have bought online until you have successfully pass a background check. That means yes you can go online and sent your money to an online licensed firearm dealer. The licensed firearm dealer then ships the firearm to a local FFL (Federal Firearm Licensed) Dealer in your area where you then have to go to and fill out the required paperwork and complete a background check as if you purchased it locally, BEFORE you are legally allowed to take possession of the firearm.
Knowing many FFL holders I can tell you, they are serious about their responsibility. They do not cut corners because if they do and are caught they will be in world of federal shite.
If these laws are not being followed it is not a background check problem. But without data I would venture to say that this is not even close to the problem it is being whipped up to be.
Now if you want to close a legitimate loophole that legally allows the sale of a firearm without requiring a background check, require all person to person sales of firearms to go through a FFL dealer. This is how the El Paso shooter (iirc) obtained his gun because he could not buy one through other legal means the required a background check.
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:12 am to Snipe
No.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:12 am to Snipe
The media knows some folks don't know the facts and they also know they will believe anything the MSM spews at them.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:26 am to Snipe
The El Paso shooter bought a gun from a friend that sold it to him, except the friend bought an 80% lower and then manufactured the rifle himself (which is legal to do for yourself, but illegal to turn around and sell it).
Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:57 am to Snipe
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Why are so many people ignorant about gun laws?
Because people leading the charge for "more" gun control (no private gun ownership) have deliberately mis-educated them on guns, gun crime, violence, etc.
Well-informed people are difficult to steer with emotionally driven, factually inaccurate propaganda.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:59 am to Snipe
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Now if you want to close a legitimate loophole that legally allows the sale of a firearm without requiring a background check, require all person to person sales of firearms to go through a FFL dealer.
FFS, this isn't a loophole. This is the way private firearms transactions have been conducted since before the founding.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:08 am to Snipe
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require all person to person sales of firearms to go through a FFL dealer
no
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:09 am to Snipe
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Now if you want to close a legitimate loophole that legally allows the sale of a firearm without requiring a background check, require all person to person sales of firearms to go through a FFL dealer.
That’s not a loophole, legitimate or not. Requiring governmental approval to buy a gun is already infringing, it doesn’t need to be expanded. Where does it stop? Sales? Donations? Bringing someone to the range and letting them shoot your gun?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:16 am to Snipe
You almost had my upvote, until this shite:
quote:The ONLY way to enforce that would be a federal registry... frick THAT.
Now if you want to close a legitimate loophole that legally allows the sale of a firearm without requiring a background check, require all person to person sales of firearms to go through a FFL dealer.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:20 am to Jack Bauers HnK
If I want to sell a gun to a friend I don’t need to have the governments approval to do so, end of story.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:41 am to Ace Midnight
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FFS, this isn't a loophole. This is the way private firearms transactions have been conducted since before the founding.
I will retract. Correct, a person to person sale is not a "Loophole", per si, but it is the only legal way to buy and obtain a firearm with no background check required. Post 1993 Brady bill act.
However, at some point since 1993 (Usually the initial sale) a background check was required to purchase a firearm. In some states it that gun can then be sold to anyone no questions asked. Again without data I'm comfortable assuming this is how most of the firearms are obtained by persons who would otherwise be denied purchase and access to these guns.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:43 am to Snipe
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Why are so many people ignorant
You could have just stopped there. Our corrupt government and most governments in general have an actual, historical, and factual necessity for an ignorant population. An intelligent population does not need a government for anything other than defense and Public Utilities like fire, police, water, Etc.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:45 am to Snipe
There’s just a ton of ignorance out there with people not willingly to go find the correct information.
I was telling a friend of mine I found a screaming deal on a Ruger 556 on Bud’s the other day so I bought it. “He asks, oh cool so you can just ship it straight to your house right?” I said no man, it has to go directly to a FFL then once it arrives and I go to pick it up they run a background check. If I fail that background check I don’t get to leave with my gun.
No critical thinking at all by a lot of people these days sadly.
I was telling a friend of mine I found a screaming deal on a Ruger 556 on Bud’s the other day so I bought it. “He asks, oh cool so you can just ship it straight to your house right?” I said no man, it has to go directly to a FFL then once it arrives and I go to pick it up they run a background check. If I fail that background check I don’t get to leave with my gun.
No critical thinking at all by a lot of people these days sadly.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:47 am to Snipe
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However, at some point since 1993 (Usually the initial sale) a background check was required to purchase a firearm. In some states it that gun can then be sold to anyone no questions asked.
If a new gun is purchased (with background check and fed papers) by a person with the intent of providing it to somebody else who could not legally purchase the gun, that's called a straw purchase and it is illegal.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:54 am to SlapahoeTribe
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The ONLY way to enforce that would be a federal registry... frick THAT.
I get your point but if you do not see that gun legislation is on the near horizon than you're burying your head in the sand. Responsible gun owners better get involved and have a say in this or it's going to happen without common sense oversight and the anti gun nuts will have their say.
You can say "Shall not be infringed upon" all you want but like you said, it's already infringed upon and it will get worse as long as responsible firearm owners act irresponsibility and defend the ability of persons who should not own and possess firearms to have access to them.
And BTW the registry exists already. The federal government just chooses not to use the information unless it absolutely has to. If you've ever bought a gun in a local store and signed the paperwork your on the list for that gun. If you've sold it, given it away or lost it in a "boating accident" and it ever comes up in an evidence locker it will trace back to you unless you've filled out paperwork to transfer it to who ever possesses it now.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:02 am to TheHarahanian
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If a new gun is purchased (with background check and fed papers) by a person with the intent of providing it to somebody else who could not legally purchase the gun, that's called a straw purchase and it is illegal.
Correct.
Buy if a person buys a gun (with background check and fed papers) then decides he doesn't like the gun and decides to sell it to a friend it's not a straw purchase.
Now said friend could be a person legally prohibited form owning a gun. Are you 100% certain you know all of your friends history?
What if friend sells it to someone he knows?
Friend doesn't care he bought it from you and his name is not ties to the serial number.
Never mind the scenario of what if your friend is a dumbass and leaves the gun on his car and it gets stolen.
Someone out there is doing god knows what with a gun tied to you. Are you legally responsible? Probably not but i guess who cares as long as you don't get in trouble right?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:05 am to Snipe
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Again without data I'm comfortable assuming this is how most of the firearms are obtained by persons who would otherwise be denied purchase and access to these guns.
So, you don't think theft is how many are obtained?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:13 am to The Maj
I have bought and sold guns here of TD
Excellent place
Excellent place
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:18 am to Snipe
I mean most of the media, politicians, and general public doesn’t even know there’s a difference between semi-automatic and automatic.
You really expect them to actually critically think laws?
You really expect them to actually critically think laws?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:20 am to Snipe
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Fact. You can not legally take possession of a firearm you have bought online until you have successfully pass a background check. That means yes you can go online and sent your money to an online licensed firearm dealer. The licensed firearm dealer then ships the firearm to a local FFL (Federal Firearm Licensed) Dealer in your area where you then have to go to and fill out the required paperwork and complete a background check as if you purchased it locally, BEFORE you are legally allowed to take possession of the firearm.
This is a fact that the democrats misrepresent.
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