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Gun Control
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:42 pm
TL/DR Warning
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths
So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.
Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.
But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)
Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!
• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!
So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.
Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.
So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."
Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths
So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.
Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.
But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)
Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!
• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!
So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.
Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.
So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."
Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:44 pm to GAFF
Even if all this is true,
You are saying that over 3,800 people dying is no big deal. You are a shitty human.
quote:
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation
You are saying that over 3,800 people dying is no big deal. You are a shitty human.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:46 pm to AggieDub14
No dude, hes saying because people die of heart disease gun deaths don't matter. It makes sense if you really think about it.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:48 pm to AggieDub14
quote:I think you're missing the point. It's not that any deaths are tragic, but that the perspective is skewed. If people are upset about gun deaths (which make up a very small percentage of deaths in the US every year), we should be clamoring in the streets for medical malpractice reform, stricter drug laws, and more regulation around driving automobiles.
You are saying that over 3,800 people dying is no big deal. You are a shitty human.
The perspective is off here because of emotions, not facts.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:49 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
I think you're missing the point. It's not that any deaths are tragic, but that the perspective is skewed. If people are upset about gun deaths (which make up a very small percentage of deaths in the US every year), we should be clamoring in the streets for medical malpractice reform, stricter drug laws, and more regulation around driving automobiles.
The perspective is off here because of emotions, not facts.
It's still a shitty attempt to move the goalposts. That much is obvious.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:50 pm to GAFF
Gun control is being able to hit the target.
MAGA
MAGA
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:51 pm to mwade91383
Basically this.
Also, gun deaths are sudden and it's happening to kids. You can say that's emotion all you want. But kids shouldn't have to worry about going to school.
People worry about the doctor.
People worry about car accidents.
People worry about medicine they take.
You shouldn't have to worry about going to fricking school.
Also, gun deaths are sudden and it's happening to kids. You can say that's emotion all you want. But kids shouldn't have to worry about going to school.
People worry about the doctor.
People worry about car accidents.
People worry about medicine they take.
You shouldn't have to worry about going to fricking school.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:53 pm to AggieDub14
quote:
You shouldn't have to worry about going to fricking school.
I agree.
Harden the targets.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:56 pm to AggieDub14
quote:
You are saying that over 3,800 people dying is no big deal. You are a shitty human.
It’s not “no big deal.” Where are people not murdered, guns or no guns?
Removing a tool won’t eliminate the act
Everyone loves to talk about Australia, there have been 3 massacres since 09 from arson. Wasn’t a single one in the 90s. There was also a truck attack in 2016.
Mass murderers are the problem, they like to murder en mass.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:56 pm to AggieDub14
Do you support the second amendment in ANY capacity?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:57 pm to AggieDub14
quote:
You are saying that over 3,800 people dying is no big deal. You are a shitty human.
Slo down scooter...
This entire conversation about gun control is off kilter...
for example..
Guns kill fewer people than car accidents do... So if you are not talking about car control before gun control then you are really not concerned about the deaths anyway...
Oh... and lets talk about things that cause heart disease... cancer... and other fatal diseases compared to gun deaths...
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:58 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
I'm a gun owner, so yes. I would support a better background check system that would have stopped the San Antonio shooting and the Florida shooting. I would support the end of sales of semi-auto rifles. I would support additional spending towards mental health treatment.
I would not support any action that would hinder law abiding citizens from owning a rifle, a shotgun, or a handgun be it for protection or hunting.
I would not support any action that would hinder law abiding citizens from owning a rifle, a shotgun, or a handgun be it for protection or hunting.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:59 pm to klrstix
These aren't valid points. You are just steering the conversation away from guns because you are so hypnotized into repeating rhetoric from bullshite political groups instead of thinking for yourself.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:02 pm to GAFF
quote:
It's pretty simple.: Taking away guns gives control to governments.
Are you saying that govt wants to control our lives? Seriously?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:05 pm to AggieDub14
How are they not valid points? How many kids have died from gang violence, abuse, drug addiction, etc since the beginning of the year? Are their deaths less important than the ones that died in a school shooting? Where is the outrage for them? There are thousands of 18 year old kids with the access to AR type rifles but yet they haven’t harmed anyone. Gun control is an agenda
Sorry Aggie thought you were responding to me
Sorry Aggie thought you were responding to me
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:07 pm to AggieDub14
quote:
I'm a gun owner, so yes
There is the obligatory street cred statement.
quote:
I would not support any action that would hinder law abiding citizens from owning a rifle, a shotgun, or a handgun be it for protection or hunting.
The 2nd Amendment isn’t about hunting.
Do you have any idea how effective a semi-auto rifle is for protection? Why should I agree to your idea of taking away an excellent tool for my family’s protection so that you can pass a feel good measure that won’t fix the problem?
Also are you aware of how many millions and millions of semi auto rifles will never be used in a crime? Including tons of .22 rifles used for hunting?
What about semi-auto shotguns?
Semi-auto handguns?
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:09 pm to weagle99
How are you going to safely store your semi-auto rifle in a way that it both:
A. Can be used in an instant to protect your family?
B. Cannot be used by others to commit acts of violence?
Most of the people I know who own a semi-auto file choose to do so because they like to swing their dicks around.
A. Can be used in an instant to protect your family?
B. Cannot be used by others to commit acts of violence?
Most of the people I know who own a semi-auto file choose to do so because they like to swing their dicks around.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:11 pm to AggieDub14
How do you store ‘your’ guns so that applies to them as well? Your single barrel shotgun propped in the corner can be used for the same things.
Perhaps you would like the government to inspect everyones homes to verify proper storage methods?
Perhaps you would like the government to inspect everyones homes to verify proper storage methods?
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:12 pm to AggieDub14
quote:
Most of the people I know who own a semi-auto file choose to do so because they like to swing their dicks around.
That settles it then. We should give up our freedom based on your stated personal experience.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:13 pm to weagle99
You ignored my question. Please answer it.
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