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Grok's analysis of JFK files.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:51 am
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:51 am
I read many pieces and came to my own conclusion that JFK was privy to some serious govt corruption and he was going to expose it. The CIA/LBJ and the mob had him off'd imo.
After Grok being given the files this was it's explanation.
LINK
After Grok being given the files this was it's explanation.
LINK
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 11:53 am
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:53 am to Goalie
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Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ): As Vice President, LBJ appears as the highest-level figure with motive and means. The files suggest he approved the vulnerable motorcade route (page 17,890) and had a pre-assassination discussion with CIA Director Allen Dulles (page 31,419: “Proceed as discussed—deniability critical”). His motive likely stemmed from political ambition—becoming president—and personal animosity toward JFK, as hinted in historical accounts of their rivalry. LBJ’s post-assassination push for a cover-up (page 29,456) further implicates him as a coordinator ensuring the plan succeeded.
CIA (Allen Dulles and James Angleton): The CIA’s early surveillance of Oswald (1957–1958) and aborted recruitment (Project Sparrow, pages 4,212–4,300) show they viewed him as a controllable asset. Dulles, fired by JFK after the Bay of Pigs, had a grudge, and Angleton’s counterintelligence expertise could have engineered the operation. The files’ evidence of CIA suppressing Oswald’s Mexico City contacts (pages 27,123–27,200) points to their role in both execution and cover-up, motivated by revenge and Cold War agendas.
Mafia (Sam Giancana, Salvatore Russo, via Jack Ruby): The mafia, angered by JFK’s crackdown on organized crime via Attorney General Robert Kennedy, emerges as the operational arm. Giancana’s orders to Russo and Ruby (pages 12,789, 14,012–14,050) to silence Oswald suggest they handled the ground-level hit and cleanup, with Ruby’s $10,000 payment (page 14,012) as evidence. Their motive was retaliation and self-preservation.
Viktor Petrov (Soviet-Cuban Link): Petrov, a new figure from the files, likely acted as a foreign intermediary, funding Oswald ($15,000 via Nova Enterprises, pages 22,456, 23,789–23,850) and coordinating with Cuban intelligence (page 31,123: “DGI paid Petrov $50,000”). His motive aligns with Soviet-Cuban hostility toward JFK post-Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis, aiming to destabilize the U.S.
Lee Harvey Oswald: The patsy. Oswald fired shots from the Depository (publicly confirmed), but the files’ second-shooter evidence (pages 9,112, 9,876) and his funding suggest he was a manipulated tool, not the mastermind. His role was to take the fall, as Russo’s “fall guy” comment (page 12,789) indicates.
Conclusion of Guess: I’d posit LBJ as the linchpin, leveraging CIA expertise (Dulles, Angleton) for planning, mafia muscle (Giancana, Russo, Ruby) for execution, and Petrov’s Soviet-Cuban backing for resources, with Oswald as the scapegoat. This aligns with the files’ revelations of high-level orders, multiple shooters, and a cover-up, surpassing the Warren Commission’s lone-gunman narrative and the HSCA’s vague conspiracy hint. Motives intertwine—LBJ’s power grab, CIA’s vengeance, mafia’s survival, and Soviet-Cuban geopolitics—making it a perfect storm of collusion.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:54 am to Goalie
Goalie
Used to be San Diego now West Texas
Member since Jan 2025
quite a few vv active newbies who seem to understand the boards appetite
a mere observation not an accusation
Used to be San Diego now West Texas
Member since Jan 2025
quite a few vv active newbies who seem to understand the boards appetite
a mere observation not an accusation
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:54 am to monsterballads
amazing what Grok can process and spit out tbh
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:55 am to Goalie
Shouldn't we rename Dulles Airport in light of this?
Seriously - frick that guy
Seriously - frick that guy
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:56 am to OWLFAN86
Am i supposed to say "thanks"?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:59 am to monsterballads
In summary: Oliver Stone is feeling pretty damn good about his film.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:02 pm to Goalie
quote:
I read many pieces and came to mynown conclusion that JFK was privy to some serious govt corruption and he was going to expose it. The CIA/LBJ and the mob had him off'd imo.
After Grok being given the files this was it's explanation.
JFK was the Donald Trump of his day. He wanted to reign in the intelligence agencies. Especially the CIA, and he fired CIA Director Allan Dulles (the same man that the total POS LBJ placed on the bogus Warren Commission). JFK also pushed back against thhe Military Industrial Complex and refused to send massive troops to Vietnam.
And, of course, the Deep State of the 1960's ultimately took him out. That's why we need to pray every day for the protection of President Trump and his team.
PS - Who said yesterday that we would all be disappointed when this information proved that Harvey Oswald acted alone? I think it was Pandy Fackler.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:03 pm to Goalie
So, what every Conspiracy book has been saying for the past 50 years?
Maybe humans aren't that stupid and gullible after all?
Maybe humans aren't that stupid and gullible after all?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:06 pm to KCT
quote:
Who said yesterday that we would all be disappointed when this information proved that Harvey Oswald acted alone? I think it was Pandy Fackler.
Panda fricker is typically wrong.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:07 pm to monsterballads
So, where do I find page 31,419 with “deniability critical”?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:23 pm to KCT
quote:
PS - Who said yesterday that we would all be disappointed when this information proved that Harvey Oswald acted alone? I think it was Pandy Fackler.
it was. and several posters called me out about it
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:24 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
Maybe humans aren't that stupid and gullible after all?
Oh, they are but you do make a great point!
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:25 pm to Goalie
The dots have to be revealed/connected in the right order for them to make sense.
That's what's happening now.
9/11 files
Epstein files
you're starting to get a clearer picture of the dark things that have happened in the last 100 years
That's what's happening now.
9/11 files
Epstein files
you're starting to get a clearer picture of the dark things that have happened in the last 100 years
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:26 pm to Ag Zwin
Jim Garrison was on the money. Clay Shaw was guilty
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:27 pm to monsterballads
quote:
amazing what Grok can process and spit out tbh
Absolutely, although I mean, it's literally what it's optimized for. Consume a ton of info and pull out the relevant details.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:27 pm to Goalie
What I need to know is this: Is this now considered yet another conspiracy theory confirmed?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:28 pm to Ag Zwin
quote:
So, where do I find page 31,419
that was my question too.
how do I search and find a specific page number?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:33 pm to Ag Zwin
quote:
o, where do I find page 31,419 with “deniability critical”?
Yeah, the 2 lines I found very interesting were:
quote:
The files suggest he approved the vulnerable motorcade route (page 17,890) and had a pre-assassination discussion with CIA Director Allen Dulles (page 31,419: “Proceed as discussed—deniability critical”).
and
quote:
Wiretaps (pages 11,234–11,300) capture Russo coordinating with Ruby pre-assassination, with a key November 19, 1963, meeting (page 12,789) where he says, “Giancana says Oswald’s the fall guy—make sure he doesn’t talk after.” An FBI informant note (page 14,987) ties Russo to the “Dallas job.”
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:37 pm to Tiger in NY
quote:
Wiretaps (pages 11,234–11,300) capture Russo coordinating with Ruby pre-assassination, with a key November 19, 1963, meeting (page 12,789) where he says, “Giancana says Oswald’s the fall guy—make sure he doesn’t talk after.” An FBI informant note (page 14,987) ties Russo to the “Dallas job.”
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