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re: Greater Evil, Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia

Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:02 pm to
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:02 pm to
If an absolute ruler like Lenin, Stalin, or Mao can't establish communism properly, then it can't be done.

They were, all 3, very well read in Marx. They loved Marxism. They wanted it more than anything.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:05 pm to
Russia is still assassinating people in every country in the world. . .and everyone knows they are doing it.

Zero countries have done a thing.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:09 pm to
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They were, all 3, very well read in Marx. They loved Marxism. They wanted it more than anything.


They each had to kill millions of their own people in order to make it "work right."

Since "equality" didn't work, the word has now been changed to "equity"

Equality is equal opportunity, equity means special treatment. It's just another attempt to give people who havent earned their place a chance to steal what has been created, which is the basis of marxist theories.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:11 pm to
attrition as a strategy doesn't matter to communists or socialists, because individuals are not important. They'll burn through the population for the cause.
Posted by haikarate
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:16 pm to
This is easy
Joe Biden.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:22 pm to
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What general was it that said we fought the wrong enemy?


Patton didn’t say that, he just said we should keep marching to Moscow.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:23 pm to
I agree that attrition was the strategy for Stalin. But make no mistake, the Russian soldier was then, and is probably still today, the toughest soldier in the world.

Those are some tough SOBs


And they had some of the best generals in the war, even the ones left after the purges. They couldn't overcome the ferocity and technology of the Reich. I mean, the artillery alone was. . .frick, and they moved it so much faster than anyone thought possible.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:24 pm to
If anyone said we shouldn't be fighting Hitler, that is a sick frick.

but we should have gone on to Moscow.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:31 pm to
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It’s kind of crazy how we’ve built up this myth of German superiority but they had no hope of winning a war with Russia
The Japanese approached the Germans in '35 wanting to discuss an alliance against the Soviets. I think the gameplan was for a coordinated, simultaneous attack on Russia from multiple fronts, and then a later focus on taking on the US. This, I think, was the German plan.

I think the Japs maybe goaded the Germans into it, wanting instead for Russia to be so preoccupied with Germany in the West that it would leave Asia and Japan alone (as it did), and they hoped to then knock the US out of the Pacific so they could consolidate their empire. In other words, the Japs played the Germans, and in the process screwed the Axis.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:32 pm to
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Patton didn’t say that


It's supposedly a "disputed" quote, but he was removed from command for openly questioning the denazification process after the end of the war.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:32 pm to
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If anyone said we shouldn't be fighting Hitler, that is a sick frick.


Why?
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:35 pm to
Powerful and eloquent
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:39 pm to
Your posts are always well written and full of common sense
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:40 pm to
Hitler was destabilizing Europe, and committing genocide of millions

Also he was disrupting international trade, killing American interests in the region and in North Africa, killing Americans in Europe, etc.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:41 pm to



meanwhile,,, the rest of us
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:43 pm to
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Hitler was destabilizing Europe,


True, but so what?

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committing genocide of millions


Before the war started? I didn't know that you subscribed to the Samantha Power school of using force.


Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:45 pm to
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True, but so what?
all the other things
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Before the war started?
the first 2 things are retrospective reasons justifying the war

the second section was why we joined the war
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:58 pm to
Well yeah. I understand the justifications that were give. You said that anyone who said we shouldn't have been fighting Nazi Germany was a sick frick. I was just trying to pin down why.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 3:01 pm to
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Hitler was destabilizing Europe, and committing genocide of millions


Weird how we let China do this today. We seem to pick and choose when to be the morality police.
Posted by Cfrobel
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 3:08 pm to
The real reason is the UK cannot stand the idea of a continental power becoming too strong. They nearly drove their economy to ruin financing coalition after coalition to defeat Napoleon and made a deal with the devil to defeat Hitler.

The idea that in 1941 anyone in the west cared about the plight of the Jews in Eastern Europe is laughable.
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