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government workers that cant be fired - why and how do you fix that
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:00 am
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:00 am
well the title says it all, what needs to be done so basic simple accountability applies to all government workers so you simply do your job or you get fired?
i think step one is making it illegal for government employees to have a union. you work for the US government so you cant go on strike or sue them for grievances, therefore there is no justifiable excuse to have a union
if you are allowing someone else to, or if you are found doing non work related stuff on the clock, then you get fired
if you are allowing someone else to, or if you are found doing political related stuff on the clock, then you get fired
if you are allowing someone else to, or if you are found using you position and security clearance access to illegally obtain information for political related stuff on the clock and you go to jail
so what needs to be done to fix this issue?
i think step one is making it illegal for government employees to have a union. you work for the US government so you cant go on strike or sue them for grievances, therefore there is no justifiable excuse to have a union
if you are allowing someone else to, or if you are found doing non work related stuff on the clock, then you get fired
if you are allowing someone else to, or if you are found doing political related stuff on the clock, then you get fired
if you are allowing someone else to, or if you are found using you position and security clearance access to illegally obtain information for political related stuff on the clock and you go to jail
so what needs to be done to fix this issue?
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:01 am to keakar
You fire them... They can be fired but someone has to be willing to complete the process to fire them...
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:02 am to keakar
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how do you fix that
Have Trump issue a Fed EO like he did for the VA
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why
Bc a lot of Gov't civilians suck
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:11 am to The Maj
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You fire them... They can be fired but someone has to be willing to complete the process to fire them...
Cant do it without cause.
The president signed and EO to make the process go a little more quickly.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 10:15 am
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:30 am to BobBoucher
A government agency simply can not function, this will always be the case. Check out the Washington Monument syndrome.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:35 am to BobBoucher
It’s Impossible. My wife works for the VA in New Orleans. She was in private industry all her life and has been there four years now.
Every single week she tells me stories of complete incompetence, waste, theft and basically just the government mentality.
They’ve caught multiple people stealing, have them on video and everything, a few of them several times. Some workers walking around loaded all day every day. And none of them are ever fired.
It’s really sickening, especially when you know it goes on at every single department in the government.
Every single week she tells me stories of complete incompetence, waste, theft and basically just the government mentality.
They’ve caught multiple people stealing, have them on video and everything, a few of them several times. Some workers walking around loaded all day every day. And none of them are ever fired.
It’s really sickening, especially when you know it goes on at every single department in the government.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:39 am to The Maj
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They can be fired but someone has to be willing to complete the process to fire them...
It's extremely difficult. The protection many of these people have is unbelievable.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:02 am to keakar
Start by reducing the size of the federal government.
Cut in half.
If you can’t fire them can you eliminate jobs and positions?
No one will be missed.
Cut in half.
If you can’t fire them can you eliminate jobs and positions?
No one will be missed.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:04 am to keakar
Government workers can be fired. This is a myth that they cannot.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:09 am to Tiger55
Yep. I have family who work for the Feds. I hear the same things.
Employees know they can do “just enough” to keep their jobs. The system is broke.
Employees know they can do “just enough” to keep their jobs. The system is broke.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:11 am to keakar
MASSIVE staff reductions in the form of not replacing retirees, etc.
If you can't fire people, you certainly can refuse to replace the ones that do leave.
If you can't fire people, you certainly can refuse to replace the ones that do leave.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:25 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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If you can't fire people, you certainly can refuse to replace the ones that do leave.
i think trump may have done this already? i seem to recall he did a freeze on any new hires but maybe im wrong.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:28 pm to keakar
isnt there something that they can do to allow firing "at will" if they arent doing their job or found guilty of wrong doing?
it has to be more then just willing blindness to ignore it
cant they make supervisors pay fines and/or lose their jobs if they fail to ensure workers under them are doing their jobs properly and without bias?
there has to be a way to hold people accountable for what they do or dont do
it has to be more then just willing blindness to ignore it
cant they make supervisors pay fines and/or lose their jobs if they fail to ensure workers under them are doing their jobs properly and without bias?
there has to be a way to hold people accountable for what they do or dont do
Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:29 pm to keakar
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if you are allowing someone else to, or if you are found doing non work related stuff on the clock, then you get fired
if you are allowing someone else to, or if you are found doing political related stuff on the clock, then you get fired
Yikes.
they are human beings.. you realize that, right? If an airman wants to stop by and pick up a soda on the way back from a meeting.. who the frick cares?
Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:48 pm to bmy
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If an airman wants to stop by and pick up a soda on the way back from a meeting
That's not what he's talking about and you know it. A better example would be if a government employee checks into his nothing job in the morning, says he's going to a meeting but instead goes to work a part-time job at another location, and then reports back to his government job in the afternoon.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:49 pm to keakar
Policies and procedures which govern hiring and firing
Never had a problem with this in Texas as a public servant/civil service Is not hard
Never had a problem with this in Texas as a public servant/civil service Is not hard
Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:52 pm to keakar
I have worked for both private and government. I can say that the problems with the government workers are the same as with private industry. Every business or government agency has had employees. You act as if these problems are only within the government.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:54 pm to keakar
When I worked for the state I fired 4 civil service employees. It was not that hard. I just had to document the lack of performance, attempts to train, tardiness, and attempts of corrective action.
All four of these guys were long time state employees who did not have the requisite knowledge for their jobs.
I have fired people in the corporate world as well and the process in government wasn't any harder because of the documentation I kept. I could not have fired these guys in the private sector without similar documentation.
All four of these guys were long time state employees who did not have the requisite knowledge for their jobs.
I have fired people in the corporate world as well and the process in government wasn't any harder because of the documentation I kept. I could not have fired these guys in the private sector without similar documentation.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:04 pm to BobBoucher
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Employees know they can do “just enough” to keep their jobs.
This is not unique to public sector jobs.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:39 pm to keakar
Get rid of unions for federal employees.
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