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GOP won't forgive Rand for playing footsie with Sharpton
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:55 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:55 am
I had not even thought about this but this really might doom him. Of course there is still plenty of time.
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:01 am to Eurocat
This isn't the 80s, nobody gives a damn.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:10 am to Eurocat
That's a fairly strained theory. I am sure someone in the primaries will try to make an issue of it, but I also suspect that people will put Rand's statements/actions in the proper context.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:10 am to Eurocat
quote:
GOP Won’t Forgive Rand for Cop Critique
Can you quote the critique please? TIA.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:16 am to GumboPot
quote:LINK
Writing Thursday in an opinion piece in Time, Paul noted that the wild scene of police in tactical gear apparently firing teargas and rubber pellets and pointing automatic weapons at people in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson resembled a “war more than a traditional police action.”
"Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them," he wrote in Time.
"When you couple this militarization of law enforcement with an erosion of civil liberties and due process ... we begin to have a very serious problem on our hands," he wrote.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:21 am to LSURussian
Wtf was wrong with that take?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:22 am to LSURussian
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This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 8:23 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:23 am to Samso
quote:
Wtf was wrong with that take?
Nothing unless you have a vested interest in the proliferation of militarized police like some bigwig republicans are.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:24 am to Samso
It is not a question of what is or is not wrong with "that take", the question is will such an opion find support among GOP primary voters. The Original article linked shows that the GOP has been (almost blindly) pro Cop since the days of Nixon. And they do not appear to be willing to change, at least not at this time.
Just wait until the attack ads start from other GOP candidates.
Just wait until the attack ads start from other GOP candidates.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:26 am to LSURussian
I have no problem with what he said. He isn't race baiting or defending Brown. He is looking at the larger, more important issue and that's the ever increasing power given to police.
On the other have though, real change will only happen when blacks themselves work to make their communities better. When events like ferguson happen, it only strengthens the argument for a stronger police force because white people, who are the vast majority of the population, will feel threatened and want police to contain such violence. And they will vote accordingly to ensure the police have the resources to do so. So you end up with a militarized police force targeting minorities and the problem exacerbates.
Both sides have to work toward a common goal, not just 1 side, if you want change to happen.
On the other have though, real change will only happen when blacks themselves work to make their communities better. When events like ferguson happen, it only strengthens the argument for a stronger police force because white people, who are the vast majority of the population, will feel threatened and want police to contain such violence. And they will vote accordingly to ensure the police have the resources to do so. So you end up with a militarized police force targeting minorities and the problem exacerbates.
Both sides have to work toward a common goal, not just 1 side, if you want change to happen.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:27 am to Eurocat
That would simply mean that Republicans are stupid, not that Rand was wrong in what he said.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:30 am to Eurocat
So he pissed off (or possibly will piss off, let's face it alot of these mouth breathers don't know what he said) some of the Republican base?
Good
Good
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:30 am to Samso
quote:I didn't say anything was wrong with it. I only provided the quote in answer to GumboPot's question. Chill.
Wtf was wrong with that take?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:31 am to Joshjrn
I never said he was wrong.
Just looking at the political cost to him.
(I also never said he was right, either).
Just looking at the political cost to him.
(I also never said he was right, either).
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:35 am to Eurocat
quote:
The Original article linked shows that the GOP has been (almost blindly) pro Cop since the days of Nixon. And they do not appear to be willing to change, at least not at this time.
The GOP was also pro-intervention for a long time and that has seemed to change recently.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:36 am to MFn GIMP
All I care about today is that the GOP is pro-Obama and whatever the Democrats want and that is going to be the nail in their coffin.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:41 am to LSURussian
Militarizing the police is unnecessary. That's why we have the military (national guard). Militarization erodes the community relationship between the police and the neighborhood citizens.
Also, IMO police shouldn't be implementing riot control. That's a much larger issue than local and state police should be ordered to handle. That's a national guard issue.
Also, IMO police shouldn't be implementing riot control. That's a much larger issue than local and state police should be ordered to handle. That's a national guard issue.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 8:44 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:43 am to Eurocat
Good for Rand. He speaks for himself and his constituents instead of letting a political party dictate to him.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:48 am to GumboPot
quote:Oh, hell no!
That's a national guard issue.
I don't want the military of any branch patrolling any U.S. street unless they are looking for foreign combatants who have attacked us.
The only exception would be some type of rescue operation such as after Katrina in New Orleans.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:49 am to udtiger
quote:
I also suspect that people will put Rand's statements/actions in the proper context.
When did context or the actual meaning of things start mattering?
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