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re: GOP is simply not a politically cohesive party right now
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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A portion of the base, and this is only until the next shiny object comes to sweep them away.
Most of these people supported GWB and the Tea Party. They have no ideology and just rely on identity politics and the newest, coolest political avatars their friends are using.
You are a dumb arse. Just straight dumb.
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:27 am to saint tiger225
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It's a broken party, no doubt. Half the party wants a reasonable conservative in the Whitehouse. The other half just wants to be entertained by people who say things that sound good but don't back it up.
The butthurt is strong with this one.
How about you try to have an intelligent, rational discussion instead of this low IQ rhetoric.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:27 am to DisplacedBuckeye
So he must have been out front then talking about keeping Obamacare because that’s what AZ citizens wanted? Or proposing something better?
Nope…he’s in front of the cameras talking about how bad the ACA is but when he gets the chance to do something about it he saves it. Typical GOPe.
Nope…he’s in front of the cameras talking about how bad the ACA is but when he gets the chance to do something about it he saves it. Typical GOPe.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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I guess the solution then is to elect the GOPe?
They are responsible for Trump's biggest policy wins.
They cut taxes, got GOPE judges into the federal judiciary (flipping the USSC), and got regulations slashed.
These GOPE policies are the things Trump's fans use to defend him, while trashing the GOPE as terrible on policy. It's hilarious to watch in real time. If you really are scared of supporting the "GOPE/Establishment", then why do you promote their victories and claim these GOPE victories are Trump's? You clearly like their policies.
SFP being so out of touch and doubling down on the GOPe is awesome.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:29 am to AirbusDawg
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I don't understand the Trump no war line. We were involved in war every day of his presidency.
Trump was only really presented with one opportunity to use political force (Syria) and he responded with military force. And his justification was an emotional one (seeing the pictures of the injured child/ren).
The lack of military intervention during Trump's tenure is more good luck and virtue signaling than a real data point about what he'd do when military force was potentially necessary.
The best is when his NPCs bring up North Korea, as if we were ever in a real threat of going to war with them.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:29 am to moneyg
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SFP being so out of touch and doubling down on the GOPe is awesome.
I'm talking about Trump, not SFP.
Trump's biggest victories were GOPE policies.
I made no comment as to my personal feelings on the policies.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because of Trump's style and inability to lead.
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Ryan and the GOP blocked funding for the wall and McCain voted to keep Obamacare.
Because of Trump's style and inability to lead.
WHAT? The fricker ran on repealing it. And voted to keep it.
Had nothing to do with Trump except for the fact that he did it to protest Trump.
He left the promise he made to the people of AZ.
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What did he do to mend things after he burned bridges? Nothing. He just burned bridges with their allies to embolden them.
Like I said.... Dumb arse.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:30 am to Jjdoc
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You are a dumb arse. Just straight dumb.
JJ, explain the political ideological overlap of GWB, the original Tea Party, and Trump.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:31 am to Jjdoc
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Had nothing to do with Trump except for the fact that he did it to protest Trump.
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Because of Trump's style and inability to lead.
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:31 am to SquatchDawg
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So he must have been out front then talking about keeping Obamacare because that’s what AZ citizens wanted? Or proposing something better?
Nope…he’s in front of the cameras talking about how bad the ACA is but when he gets the chance to do something about it he saves it. Typical GOPe.
You desperately need to educate yourself about what went down, beyond the CTH headlines and Truths.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm talking about Trump, not SFP.
Trump's biggest victories were GOPE policies.
I made no comment as to my personal feelings on the policies.
crawfishing already
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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He literally attacked key people who he needed to support his agenda. That's a terrible strategy for coalition building, don't you think?
I agree. That said “his” agenda have been PUB talking points for years so wouldn’t an adult seize the opportunity to deliver rather than grudge vote because the President said mean things? We’re not talking about radical agenda items here….we’re talking border security and Obamacare….both of which major GOPe talking points leading up the election.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:32 am to Jjdoc
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And voted to keep it.
No, he didn't. You retards need to stop pushing this lie.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:32 am to AirbusDawg
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I don't understand the Trump no war line. We were involved in war every day of his presidency. Everything Trump accomplished was a McConnell idea, even right down to whom he should nominate for SC justices. Had any republican won in 2016, the political accomplishments that you claim Trump are responsible for would have all happened. We may have even accomplished getting rid of Obamacare if Trump hadn't made it so personal with McCain.
Oh I agree. He didn’t start any new wars, and he was responsible for Afghanistan ending, had the peace conference with North Korea, but he’s not exactly a peacenik and constantly threatened to up the stakes in Syria, Iran, North Korea etc. about the best you can say for his foreign policy is that he didn’t actually start a war with any of them, and seems like the most likely to disband NATO and let Russia do what it needs to with its neighbors because they’re of no importance to us.
I also agree with the Obamacare argument. He also didn’t have a backup plan. If they disbanded the ACA and everyone with a pre-existing condition got kicked off the next day, people would be furious and 2020 wouldn’t have been close.
Trump is great because he changes the makeup of a party that has grown stale and out of touch. Trump himself is just sort of an angry narcissist with no real consistent political agenda over the course of his public life other than protectionism
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:33 am to moneyg
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How about you try to have an intelligent, rational discussion instead of this low IQ rhetoric.
It's amazing you said this, right after this...
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The butthurt is strong with this one
Sorry my big brained truth bombs hurts you little pea brained dummies.
I guess I could have just said the whole party is full of cucks and that would have gotten a seal clap from you
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:33 am to moneyg
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crawfishing already
What?
Point out where I gave my personal opinions so we can judge this alleged "Crawfishing"
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:34 am to burger bearcat
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GOP is simply not a politically cohesive party right now
There is a battle between good and evil being waged within the GOP.
On the democrats side, the battle has been effectively lost and the forces of Sauron have been consolidated.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:34 am to SquatchDawg
I'm just glad their (GOPE) free ride is over
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:35 am to SquatchDawg
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That said “his” agenda have been PUB talking points for years so wouldn’t an adult seize the opportunity to deliver rather than grudge vote because the President said mean things?
Like I often tell my clients. You're dealing with a system of people, not robots (I guess in a year or 2 I'll be using AI instead of robots).
Good leaders understand this. Bad leaders create different/inconsistent rules for themselves and others.
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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The lack of military intervention during Trump's tenure is more good luck and virtue signaling than a real data point about what he'd do when military force was potentially necessary.
In that clip of Trump telling his attorneys that he knew the documents he took were classified and that he can’t declassify them, the actual conversation being had is that the papers show the military wanted a war with Iran and Trump opposed them. I think that’s a pretty good indicator that Trump isn’t a hawk
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