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re: GOP Hawks Worry Rand Paul Has Too Much Ron
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:00 pm to Paluka
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:00 pm to Paluka
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I sure hope so. It's time for these elitist assholes (Rep and Dem) to get out of the way.
The establishment doesn't always win. Obama may have been coopted by the establishment since getting elected, but his 2008 victory was a major defeat for the Democratic establishment. Hillary even had all the Black politicians and preachers in her back pocket, and still lost. It was surreal seeing all these long-serving, entrenched Black Congressmen like John Lewis get threatened with serious primary challenges, before abandoning Hillary to save their own careers. Maybe that's what needs to happen to all these Republican Congressmen like Peter King who want to throw Paul under the bus.
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:54 pm to RollTide4Ever
I can't wait for their meltdown when Rand Paul crushes this shite out of the building.
On a side note, I wish we could stop giving these bloodsucking warmongers legitimacy by refusing their blood money and that goes for both parties. It would be awesome and sending a strong message to have republicans and democrats tell them to shut the frick up and sit the frick down.
On a side note, I wish we could stop giving these bloodsucking warmongers legitimacy by refusing their blood money and that goes for both parties. It would be awesome and sending a strong message to have republicans and democrats tell them to shut the frick up and sit the frick down.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:06 pm to RollTide4Ever
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his more non-interventionist views on foreign policy...Paul’s more isolationist views on foreign policy beliefs
When did "non-interventionist" become equal to "isolationist"?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:16 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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When did "non-interventionist" become equal to "isolationist"?
It never did.
It's just made up bull shite by neocons to pigeonhole people who want to stop wars and appeasing the military industrial complex.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:19 pm to Sentrius
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It never did. It's just made up bull shite by neocons to pigeonhole people who want to stop wars and appeasing the military industrial complex.
I don't know about that. It seems to have started during the lead up to American interventionism in WWI with the liberals labeling the conservatives who were against intervention as being "isolationist" and somehow behind the times.
But somewhere along the way 'conservatives' assumed the mantle of international interventionism as being 'patriotic'.
I wish it would stop.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:25 pm to RollTide4Ever
Rand has much more viability than Ron, but I fear that is going to be squandered.
Rand has worked hard to become the candidate the TP likes but that the anti-TP doesn't dislike. If the TP or Ron's supporters alienate all the big money or semi-establishment GOP voters, he's not going to have a chance.
The reality is that the RNC establishment is not the same thing as the "establishment" we refer to when criticizing Graham or McCain. The latter is a real problem, but it is also exaggerated in an attempt by factions of the right to gain an edge on the GOP.
Rand has worked hard to become the candidate the TP likes but that the anti-TP doesn't dislike. If the TP or Ron's supporters alienate all the big money or semi-establishment GOP voters, he's not going to have a chance.
The reality is that the RNC establishment is not the same thing as the "establishment" we refer to when criticizing Graham or McCain. The latter is a real problem, but it is also exaggerated in an attempt by factions of the right to gain an edge on the GOP.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:44 pm to RollTide4Ever
One of Paul's advisors is defending him against Jennifer Rubin's attacks which probably means that they're afraid that folks are starting to believe her nonsense.
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:15 pm to RollTide4Ever
Inevitable. Hope they spend a fortune in a futile attempt.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:22 pm to Pettifogger
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If the TP or Ron's supporters alienate all the big money or semi-establishment GOP voters, he's not going to have a chance.
What could his supporters conceivably do to alienate donors or other voters?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:24 pm to trackfan
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One of Paul's advisors is defending him against Jennifer Rubin's attacks which probably means that they're afraid that folks are starting to believe her nonsense.
Several outlets have already ran with Rubin's recent hit piece. If the comments in this blog post are any indication, some are actually starting to buy Rubin's nonsense. Rubin's headline differs greatly from what Rand Paul actually said and what Rand said regarding WWII isn't out of the mainstream anyway.
Luckily for Rand, many online conservatives that weren't supporters of his father have called out Rubin's hackery. It's going to be a lot harder to destroy Rand Paul than his father.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:38 pm to Rickety Cricket
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The GOP will cannibalize it's best candidate for 2016.
They'll try. I think it will be harder to do with Rand than it was with Ron. I loved Ron, but he left himself wide open many times for the establishment to portray him as crazy.
Rand is much more political savvy and he does/says the right things. I think Rand's task is to win over enough big money donors to put up a good counter attack. In a debate, no other candidate can beat him imo.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:50 pm to deltaland
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In a debate, no other candidate can beat him imo.
What are you basing this on?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:53 pm to trackfan
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What are you basing this on?
Speeches of different GOP candidates I've seen.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 6:02 pm to deltaland
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Speeches of different GOP candidates I've seen.
Speeches and debates are two totally different animals.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:32 pm to trackfan
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What could his supporters conceivably do to alienate donors or other voters?
Push him or his message more toward a Cruz-like position or reputation. Or more Rick Perry like, or more Ron Paul like, whatever.
Or more simply, replicate what happened with Ron Paul. A lot of people I know liked Ron Paul, but didn't really invest any support because of the nature of his base (weirdo college kids, true isolationists, etc.). That's not fair to the candidate, but it definitely happens.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:52 pm to Pettifogger
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A lot of people I know liked Ron Paul, but didn't really invest any support because of the nature of his base (weirdo college kids, true isolationists, etc.).
Condescending douchebags .
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:08 pm to RollTide4Ever
That's funny because my one criticism of Rand is that he doesn't seem to be enough like his dad. He's close though and will do in a pinch after two epic shite shows for president.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:54 pm to RollTide4Ever
THIRD PARTY
Posted on 3/31/14 at 10:02 pm to RollTide4Ever
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At the Republican Jewish Coalition meeting in Las Vegas this weekend,
This is all you need to know.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 10:53 pm to SammyTiger
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Condescending douchebags .
No person who has ever been elected President did so without votes from douchebags. Why should Paul get singled out for this if he hasn't invited these folks to be a part of his campaign? At least he's not sucking up an anti-American douchebag like Sheldon Adelson like all the other major Republican candidates are doing.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 10:56 pm
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