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re: Good News: ICE-obstructing Milwaukee Judge trial going well for Trump DOJ
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:30 am to Decatur
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:30 am to Decatur
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I’ve been following this case but I’m still trying to understand the alleged criminal act better. Is it that she instructed or otherwise allowed the person to leave via a side door? The side door that exits to the hall next to where ICE agents were stationed?
It was the secret judicial exist away from the ICE agents, IIRC
Also, she collaborated with the defense counsel and didn't include the prosecutor. The prosecutor and victims were left in the court room like
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Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Nice verbal and graphic description.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:32 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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so she allowed Flores and his counsel to exit via that maze of non-public corridors (to which ICE did not have access).
I believe they said the side door opens into a public hallway immediately adjacent to the front door to the courtroom. I think an ICE agent was right there.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:36 am to IvoryBillMatt
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:37 am to Decatur
quote:Didn't they suspect something was fishy?
I think an ICE agent was right there.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:42 am to Jbird
quote:I have seen it described that way, also. Given the way that big courthouses are generally designed, I interpret that as a reference to a door leading to a private corridor.
I thought she escorted them to the side door?
Of course, it is entirely possible that I am mistaken, but the reports I have seen are consistent with this interpretation. Also consistent is the fact that ICE finally caught Flores OUTSIDE the building.
The simple fact is that most news reports do NOT contain the level of detail that we would often find helpful in our discussions, because that level of detail is just not of any interest to the average reader.
In any case, she clearly took him through an alternate door (of SOME sort) in an attempt to evade ICE.
This post was edited on 12/17/25 at 10:46 am
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:46 am to Jbird
quote:As I understand it, they were waiting outside the main doors to the courtroom ... probably thinking that Flores would HAVE to leave via that route.quote:Didn't they suspect something was fishy?
I think an ICE agent was right there.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:54 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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I have seen it described that way, also. Given the way that big courthouses are generally designed, I interpret that as a reference to a door leading to a private corridor.
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After pointing out that the state courthouse isn't like this "big, beautiful" federal courthouse, Dugan's lawyer asked the sergeant whether it would have been safer for Flores-Ruiz to exit through the side door to avoid foot traffic. Sgt. Smet paused, then agreed: "Sure."
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During recross at the end of his testimony: DEA agent Bryan Ayers agrees when asked whether the side door where Eduardo Flores-Ruiz left went into the public hallway where he was waiting. Flores-Ruiz walked "right past" Ayers, he agrees.
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Does this change your analysis?
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:54 am to IvoryBillMatt
Let's get this precedent set
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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She's quite fricked
Absent out and out jury nullification, right?
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:58 am to Decatur
quote:As to the architectural details of that courthouse, sure, if the testimony is accurate.
During recross at the end of his testimony: DEA agent Bryan Ayers agrees when asked whether the side door where Eduardo Flores-Ruiz left went into the public hallway where he was waiting. Flores-Ruiz walked "right past" Ayers, he agrees.quote:
Does this change your analysis?
As to the general notion that the Judge was trying to help Flores sneak away from ICE, not really. She knew where they were waiting and provided an alternate route for Flores.
In some older courthouses, a "side door" might lead to a nominally-public corridor that connects to the "main" corridor, but just isn't used very much, often leading to offices and/or a jury room that is not directly attached to the courtroom.
The architecture is not the main point here. The main point is Judge Dugan's provision of an alternate route to avoid ICE waiting outside the main door, at least in my opinion.
This post was edited on 12/17/25 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:59 am to prouddawg
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Absent out and out jury nullification, right?
Which is a distinct possibility.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:01 am to prouddawg
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Absent out and out jury nullification, right?
Even if that happens, she's going to lose her law license for this.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:03 am to I20goon
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From what I saw her defense is that she was acting on a courthouse memo that forbade ICE from detaining anyone in the courthouse.
I did not know that one judge could write a memo and it supersede the law.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:05 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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She knew where they were waiting and provided an alternate route for Flores.
So she broke the law by suggesting or directing this person take a side door out into a public hallway immediately adjoining the hallway where front door to the courtroom is located? I’m having a hard time seeing the legal difference in exiting one door versus the other.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:07 am to Decatur
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I’m having a hard time seeing the legal difference in exiting one door versus the other.
One big issue is the secrecy and prohibiting alerting ICE as this was unfolding. Anytime a person engages in deception around a lawful LEO operation they run the risk of some obstruction-related charge.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:08 am to IvoryBillMatt
I agree. Because it's open and shut.
that said..... I'm from Milwaukee....... you couldn't get a more "Boasburg" type judge assigned to this than the one who is (Lyn Adelman).
frickery will ensue......
that said..... I'm from Milwaukee....... you couldn't get a more "Boasburg" type judge assigned to this than the one who is (Lyn Adelman).
frickery will ensue......
Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
What duty did she owe ICE? They had an administrative warrant that they never showed to her.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:15 am to Decatur
quote:OK. We clearly see the matter differently.
So she broke the law by suggesting or directing this person take a side door out into a public hallway immediately adjoining the hallway where front door to the courtroom is located? I’m having a hard time seeing the legal difference in exiting one door versus the other.
I see her offer of the use of a door that is not normally utilized for ingress/egress as being indicative of a specific intent to assist Flores in evading ICE.
You are certainly free to see the matter differently.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:24 am to Decatur
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What duty did she owe ICE?
18-1505 only requires her to "influence, obstruct, and impede the due and proper administration of the law" of a lawful agency action (which this was).
It would be hard to argue that she didn't influence or impede the investigation with her actions.
18-1701 requires has 4 requirements: (1) a federal warrant has been issued for the fugitive's arrest; (2) the defendant had knowledge that a warrant had been issued for the fugitive's arrest; (3) the defendant actually harbored or concealed the fugitive; and (4) the defendant intended to prevent the fugitive's discovery or arrest.
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