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re: “Globalization is the redistribution of American wealth to foreign countries.”

Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:41 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:41 pm to
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They have no principles and so their platform can be nebulous.


The ironing
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:46 pm to
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The ironing


America First is the defining principle.

Obviously you missed the memo.

Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:48 pm to
Who said this;

“There may be good policy in retaliations of this kind, when there is a probability that they will procure the repeal of the high duties or prohibitions complained of. The recovery of a great foreign market will generally more than compensate the transitory inconveniency of paying dearer during a short time for some sorts of goods.”

Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34937 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:52 pm to
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There may be good policy in retaliations of this kind, when there is a probability that they will procure the repeal of the high duties or prohibitions complained of. The recovery of a great foreign market will generally more than compensate the transitory inconveniency of paying dearer during a short time for some sorts of goods.”


I couldn’t tell you without googling but the idea of betting against the economic and military strength of the US just really seems foolish.
To me it’s not “if” we win this, but by how much and how soon.

But it’s a great quote and is completely logical. Even if we werent getting shafted, you should always be pressing for more. Look at Slo in the other thread bragging about being #2 in manufacturing. What kind of pussyass moral victory shite is that?
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 6:55 pm
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3757 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:53 pm to
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List is on your receipt as a tax and see how that goes.

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LINK ]Are Import Tariffs Tax Deductible?


The question of getting tax breaks on import tariffs is common for importers.

Business vs. Personal Deductions

For those shopping overseas, sorry, the fees aren’t deductible for personal use. But, if you own a business and import goods for selling or using in your operations, you’re in a better position.

Companies can consider deductible import fees in their operation costs. This method can lower your taxable income. The IRS allows this deduction for goods meant for business purposes. So it’s a win for businesses thinking about adding import tariffs to tax write-offs in their annual taxes.
Posted by Dalosaqy
I can't quite re
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:54 pm to
Idiots, the lot of ya.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:55 pm to
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Idiots, the lot of ya.


Very informative. Would read again.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34937 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:57 pm to
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Companies can consider deductible import fees in


Funny they didn’t call it a tax.

Posted by TheBeezer
Texas
Member since Apr 2013
1968 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:01 pm to
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I never understood Nixon's calculus for "going to China." Nixon was usually pretty shrewd when it came to foreign policy, but him opening up China made no sense. (I suspect he did it to put pressure on the Soviets, but as we look back now it was a mistak


Nixon did it to drive a wedge between the Soviet Union and China making it easier to get a better peace deal with the North Vietnamese and thus guaranteeing himself a 2nd term.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466157 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:08 pm to
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America First is the defining principle.


It is, in fact, not.

It's a generic talking point of no substance of articulated specifics.

It's literally an example of " having no principles and so their platform can be nebulous." This is part of the malleability you displayed earlier, ITT, also.

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Obviously you missed the memo.


Like you missed the clear reference to your own behavior ITT.



Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34937 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:12 pm to
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is, in fact, not. It's a generic talking point of no substance of articulated specifics. It's literally an example of " having no principles and so their platform can be nebulous." This is part of the malleability you displayed earlier, ITT, also.


Lol, yeah, no.

Clearly you are confused as to what it means to adhere to a principle.

And You know, with that, you might actually be a lawyer someday.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3757 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:20 pm to
You want me t read your bolded part, but you won't read mine?
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...adding import tariffs to tax write-offs

There's no secret that tariffs are taxes. It's literally in every single definition - if you would bother to actually look.

The problem is that your ideology has got you all boxed in. You can't bring yourself to support a new tax because it goes against your principles, so you have to rationalize your position and call it a 'leverage tool'. I get it.

What you may not understand is how transparent you are with this.

The take-away is that perhaps you could learn not to be so ideologically dogmatic. You may think it makes you look principled, but it ends up only making you look like the tool.

And remember:
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What Is a Tariff?

Tariffs are direct taxes imposed by a government on goods and services imported from or exported to a different country. The reason for imposing tariffs on imported goods is to drive up the cost of foreign-produced goods, thus protecting domestic manufacturers.


Good luck in your future endeavors.
Posted by CalcuttaTigah
Member since Jul 2009
972 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:20 pm to
Totally on point. The reality is this is what participants in the US stock market wanted, not the blue collar and middle/lower class. The investor class, particularly the boomers, reaped the benefits for decades as profits expanded and their nest eggs grow. I myself am a millennial and have benefited significantly but I recognize that times have changed and won’t be able to expect 7% growth on average for next 30 years leading up to my retirement. Im certainly conflicted.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:21 pm to
When I buy a new truck for my business it is a tax write off.

But it's not a tax.

It's an expense.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466157 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:27 pm to
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Clearly you are confused as to what it means to adhere to a principle.

I am not

"America First" is not a principle. It's a silly talking point NPCs repeat and can't define, like "globalism", "lawfare", "Deep State", etc.

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you might actually be a lawyer someday.


Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34937 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:32 pm to
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I am not "America First" is not a principle. It's a silly talking point NPCs repeat and can't define, like "globalism", "lawfare", "Deep State", etc.


Who can’t define those things?

Is that really what you’re holding onto? The beliefs that common MAGA terms are without definition? Yeesh. Boy are you off base!

I just plugged them into the googles and had definitions within .2 seconds.

Let me know what else you’re struggling with.

And just because it’s not your principle doesn’t mean it isn’t someone else’s. Coming across a little judgy and elitist.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 7:36 pm
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34937 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:49 pm to
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Good luck in your future endeavors.


I see what you are saying. I don’t agree with you and I think there are enough distinctions to separate the two. But it’s not crazy what you’re saying.

Cheers!
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42147 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:02 pm to
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No country has benefited from "globalization" as much as the US.


This is false.

You are either ignorant, or you are a liar.

China has benefited the most, period, end of discussion.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42147 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:04 pm to
So if tariffs are lowered, that would equate to a tax cut.

Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10339 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 9:31 pm to
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Their GDP has outpaced ours by 500% over the last 20 years.


This is another good point that will be ignored because it destroys their witty retort of "Do you want our economy to be like theirs?"

I think 500% growth in 20 years would be pretty neat, but I like to look at the whole picture. The people against tariffs can only make a direct comparison of today's GDP.
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