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re: Glenn Beck's most profound message yet
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:38 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:38 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
It's very simple minded because it disregards casualties and unforeseen effects.
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:42 pm to joshnorris14
Yep. Agree.
arse needs whupping, arse needs whupping though.
Ain't gonna whup itself.
arse needs whupping, arse needs whupping though.
Ain't gonna whup itself.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:43 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Ftr, I disagree with beck. I lean towards if some arse needs whupping, we go and whupp it. I'm a bit of a simple minded individual here who hasn't ever changed his thinking in this matter. It was my dads belief and one Ive always just accepted.
I think that you misinterpret Beck's message, TM. He's just left the Neo-Con ideology/policy of promoting Democracy (in whatever way) to Islamic nations. As did Schueur. If attacked, both agree with you, re the "arse whupping". Just that we don't put our guys on the line, just our technology. The gloves off version. WWII stuff. Punish the population until they give up the fight, and turn in the troublemakers.
No small thing. "blood up to the bridle of a horse", I suspect.
The World can thank Muhammad for that, when the dust settles.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:43 pm to joshnorris14
Oh, I thought his message would be something I had to wait a week to hear.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:52 pm to Bard
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. If we are directly attacked, so be it. But this must end now.
I can get behind that.
Someone remind that albino that we were directly attacked. It was on 9/11. Unprovoked. They live to kill Christians and America's and al queda brought the fight to us!
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:56 pm to joshnorris14
Bush been out of office for 6 frickin years. Little late to be evolving on a position because of who is in the WH like some are suggesting.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:32 pm to yumahog
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So to some on this board, Beck can't change his opinion as he has gotten older?
One of many things I find repugnant about political discourse. There's so much gamesmanship associated with it in the media, and of course, a derisive label -- flip-flopper.
Aside from ulterior motives, I see it as a very good thing that someone is willing to change their mind. I don't think it happens enough.
I'm with Beck on this one.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:39 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:Agree.
Beck is a flip flopper that hates Obama. Not unlike a lot of conservatives.
He was a war monger with bush in office, now he has flipped.
All because of who is in the oval office. Nothing more.
Beck is a well-paid shill for the right. He just mixes up a different flavor of kool-aid.
It is both astounding and frightening that he could fool anyone.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:42 pm to joshnorris14
Beck speaks the truth. It needs to happen.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:44 pm to TX Tiger
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It is both astounding and frightening that he could fool anyone.
What do you mean? In what way is he fooling people?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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john mccain is pushing for invasion
With him on the other ticket in 2008, we were fricking screwed in that election no matter who won.
Worst pair of presidential candidates in a very long time.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:53 pm to GeeOH
My thinking has evolved almost exactly like Becks. I was all for going into Iraq and I think it was well intentioned but you simply can't bring democracy to some people.
Which is why almost every one agrees with the decision we made to go into AFGHANISTAN.
quote:
Someone remind that albino that we were directly attacked. It was on 9/11. Unprovoked. They live to kill Christians and America's and al queda brought the fight to us!
Which is why almost every one agrees with the decision we made to go into AFGHANISTAN.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:14 pm to inadaze
quote:The job of the mainstream media is to create group think...on the grandest of scales. And whether the American people want to admit it or not, they are herded into it with incredibe ease.
It is both astounding and frightening that he could fool anyone.
What do you mean? In what way is he fooling people?
Beck, like every other talking head in the mainstream media, is paid a great deal of money to be a herder.
Post 9/11 there were many who began to stray from group-think. Beck's job was and always will be to round up those "fringe" folks and get them back in line with the herd.
His particular brand of spin has been a successful one, which is why he remains on TV and collects big paychecks.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:21 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
Beck, like every other talking head in the mainstream media, is paid a great deal of money to be a herder.
Mmmmhuh...an authority on Beck...that don't listen to Beck.
In other words...a Low Info voter. Beck didn't convince me to drop the NeoCon policy of pushing Democracy in Muslim nations. Michael Schueur did. If Bush and Cheney had read his extensive historical assessment on Islam, they would have just shot Saddam...and left in about two weeks. No casualties. They way we'll do it from now forward. When we have to.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:22 pm to TX Tiger
I don't know if Beck really means this or is he just saying this because Obama is in office.
The good news for Obama is that he should do nothing and with Beck saying to do nothing he has a lot cover for Democrats in the midterm elections.
But I am surprised that Beck did say this since he is saying that 4,000 plus American serviceman died for nothing which is so so so against the conservative mantra these days.
So are conservatives saying our people died for nothing in Iraq?
The good news for Obama is that he should do nothing and with Beck saying to do nothing he has a lot cover for Democrats in the midterm elections.
But I am surprised that Beck did say this since he is saying that 4,000 plus American serviceman died for nothing which is so so so against the conservative mantra these days.
So are conservatives saying our people died for nothing in Iraq?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:29 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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But I am surprised that Beck did say this since he is saying that 4,000 plus American serviceman died for nothing which is so so so against the conservative mantra these days.
BS, RW. No way they "died for nothing".
Copy/paste from the Cheney thread:
Well...why not just try the whole damn Military, just like the Nazis who carried out murderous orders from the top. Point your fingers at all the scarred and maimed soldiers who *believed* that they fought for all those folks over there, to be FREE from the rape and humiliation of a family of ruthless despots who had WMD's, used em' on their own...and hated us for kickin' their asses out of Kuwait.
And our finest who sacrificed, but celebrated all those 'purple fingers' when they got their first vote. Or made friends with those poor kids over there.
This 'war crimes' stuff pisses me off, but is par for the lying-assed, Alinskyite tactic of smearing anybody that don't buy their mind-warped Authoritarian/Progressive ideology. Islamists brethren, no less; just a different color.
Anybody that ain't in the above category, ought to drop this bs right now; it denigrates the honorable service of the soldiers who fought to liberate that nation. None of us realized - then - what we know now. Such being that it is existentially impossible for Democracy to exist in a Nation that is Muslim. Their 'Book'...nullifies any such scenario. And the suicidal Fundamentalist will sink the whole ship in defense/promotion of that Book/Prophet.
We learned a hard lesson, for the right reason. Let it go. Or be guilty of the same thing you paint Cheney and those who gave this 'compassionate warfare/win hearts and minds policy a legit shot. Being wrong...for a reason you believe to be right.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:35 pm to joshnorris14
quote:It would be nice if this was anywhere close to true.
Our days of being the world’s policemen, our days of interventionists is over.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:37 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:The ones he is in charge of herding appear to be. Did you not understand that part of my explanation?
But I am surprised that Beck did say this since he is saying that 4,000 plus American serviceman died for nothing which is so so so against the conservative mantra these days.
So are conservatives saying our people died for nothing in Iraq?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:39 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:Do you know how I know that some people just don't understand why we appear to be the world's police?
Our days of being the world’s policemen, our days of interventionists is over.
It would be nice if this was anywhere close to true.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:40 pm to joshnorris14
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We have spent $2 trillion – say that again – $2 trillion, and upwards of 200,000 Iraqi citizens, aid workers, insurgents have been killed.
This can't be true, RollTide1987 claims war is an amazing economic engine of positive change.
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