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re: Girl Boss throws her baby out of window
Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:41 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:41 pm to Lima Whiskey
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You understood me
No, I didn’t.
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The abortion lobby is a Jewish movement
Maybe so, along with the Chicoms and George Soros.
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Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:49 pm to imjustafatkid
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Every time you post about Christianity you look like a moron.
Well... If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck...
I'll give him this... he puts an awful lot of effort into not believing something he doesn't believe in.
This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:58 am to MemphisGuy
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:39 am to Azkiger
quote:I didn't say the correctness is what makes a pitch more or less annoying but that the motivations between the two "evangelists" are vastly different. The atheist is essentially just trolling and seeking to destroy while the Christian is seeking to build up.
And as usual, you're wrong.
If the correctness of the ideology made the pitch less annoying, surely your pitch, representing pure truth, wouldn't be annoying at all. Yet it is.
At the end of the day, what one person finds "annoying" is going to be entirely subjective. I'm simply talking about what the difference between the Christian and the atheist is in terms of motivation, and how those motivations can be supported (or contradicted) by the worldviews espoused by each.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:54 am to Azkiger
quote:We've been at this long enough that if you understood where I was coming from, you would have understood this statement about borrowing. It seems that you still don't get it, so I'll try again.
Leave it to Foo to pretend Christianity discovered that things like rape and murder are bad.
Yes, I'm totally borrowing from Christianity and not from virtually every other ideology that came to the same conclusions.
First, in regards to chronology: I'm not saying Christianity as an organized religion came before all other religions. I'm saying that truth espoused in the Bible came first. The Bible presents a chronology where truth about God existed prior to creation and was revealed little by little since the beginning of creation, before any other religions were created. Judaism came about in time later than some other religions but was the organized expression of the truth revealed by God. That revelation came to a head in the person of Jesus Christ, who was incarnated 2,000 years ago. Christianity was the extension and fulfilment of the Judaic religion but also the fulfillment of the truth that began at creation. So in terms of chronology, Christianity teaches truths that go back to the beginning of the world and before.
More to the point, though, is that when I speak of atheists borrowing from the Christian worldview, I'm talking about the eternal truths that the Christian worldview espouses that do not exist within the atheistic framework. An atheist can recognize rape and murder are bad things but have no philosophical way to account for why they are inherently and objectively morally wrong. All the atheist has at the end of the day is his opinion, which amounts to the same thing as his opinion on his favorite flavor of ice cream. It doesn't matter.
In order for the atheist to say rape and murder are undeniably and objectively "wrong" in a true and meaningful moral sense, the atheist has to adopt a moral framework other than his own. He needs to adopt a framework that allow for objective moral reasoning using an objective standard that exists outside of the human experience, otherwise his morality is nothing more than "might makes right" applied to individual, subjective, human opinions.
The Christian worldview provides the preconditions for objective moral reasoning that the atheist doesn't have, so when the atheist says rape and murder are wrong, either they are declaring a subjective opinion (which is not usually how the atheists considers his statement), or they are declaring an objective reality that doesn't comport with their stated worldview (objective morality doesn't exist in an atheistic world). Therefore, when the atheist makes a declaration of an assumed objective moral judgement, he is borrowing from the Christian worldview, which alone provides the necessary preconditions for such moral outrage.
If you want to end each condemnation of rape and murder with, "but that's just my opinion and I don't think those things are objectively wrong", then go ahead and admit it, but when you say that those things are wrong in an objective and meaningful sense, then you need to acknowledge that your worldview doesn't allow for such a statement and that you have to borrow from the truths of the Christian worldview to believe that.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 10:46 am to FooManChoo
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In order for the atheist to say rape and murder are undeniably and objectively "wrong" in a true and meaningful moral sense
Why do you keep arguing rape is objectively wrong? Your god sanctions the buying and keeping of slaves, who you can then frick… is that not rape? Your god sanctioned the rape of the Midianite virgins (minus the 32 that were sacrificed to your bloodthirsty deity). Your god sanctioned the capture and rape of random Israelites at a festival by the remnants of the Benjaminites. Your god made a law that you can rape any virgin woman you want as long as you pay the father 50 shekels of silver and keep the girl as your wife. Are you stupid or something?
And why do you keep borrowing your own morals from modern atheistic humanist ideals which arose from Aristotelian and Platonic Greek philosophy, while hypocritically claiming to believe the Bible?
Embrace your scripture. Embrace rape and slavery and slaughter of babies. You might be a psycho at that point but at least you would no longer be a hypocrite.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 10:59 am to RebelExpress38
Fat and a murderer.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 11:15 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:I'm having a philosophical discussion bout the nature of truth, especially moral truth. You keep providing criticisms and condemnations from a moral perspective without justifying your own moral standard, so you should take a step back and consider your own moral reasoning before you throw stones.
Why do you keep arguing rape is objectively wrong?
As soon as you can justify your own moral framework, I'll go through the trouble (again) to answer your false conclusions. Again, you need to be able to justify morality in your own worldview before you throw stones against God.
Those complaints are not new, and there are reasonable answers for the objections, however you don't care about what those answers actually are because you're a troll, railing against your maker while ignoring the logical inconsistencies of your own atheistic worldview.
quote:My morals stem ultimately from God's eternal and unchangeable character as reflected in the moral law of the 10 commandments. God predates atheistic humanists, Aristotle and Plato.
And why do you keep borrowing your own morals from modern atheistic humanist ideals which arose from Aristotelian and Platonic Greek philosophy, while hypocritically claiming to believe the Bible?
You are the one borrowing from the Christian worldview when you make moral judgements as if they have any objective and meaningful basis.
quote:I do
Embrace your scripture.
quote:Rape is sinful and a violation of the 7th commandment. Unlawful taking of life is murder as a violation of the 6th commandment.
Embrace rape and slavery and slaughter of babies.
quote:You have demonstrated to be both ignorant and willfully blind to the truth over and over again. It would be comical if it weren't so tragically sad to see someone like yourself thinking yourself wise while actually being a fool. You don't see your own hypocrisy by condemning anything as "immoral" or "evil" while adhering to an atheistic, naturalistic worldview that denies objective truth including objective moral truth.
You might be a psycho at that point but at least you would no longer be a hypocrite.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 11:24 am to FooManChoo
Uh huh, so you just ignore all the rapey justification of rape in your scripture and pretend it doesn’t exist. You cherry-picking son of a bitch.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:28 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:I'm not playing by your rules, sport. I've answered your twisted accusations too many times in the past to count and I'm sure I'll continue to do so in the future--not for your sake necessarily but for others who might be reading--but for now, I want to stick to a topic that YOU need to provide answers for. I'm not letting you ignore your irrational worldview so that you can throw the conversation back to me so I can spend a lot of time and effort refuting your false claims only for you to pivot to another topic.
Uh huh, so you just ignore all the rapey justification of rape in your scripture and pretend it doesn’t exist. You cherry-picking son of a bitch.
You need to stick to one topic at a time, and right now that topic is a rational justification for your own moral paradigm.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:53 pm to RebelExpress38
Nothing to see here - move on. This is merely another late-term abortion.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:08 pm to FooManChoo
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You need to stick to one topic at a time
Pathetic excuse. A deflection.
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and right now that topic is a rational justification for your own moral paradigm
Already gave you my thoughts on the moral framework of morality many times, which reject. Anything you disagree with you will use to say I’m not answering the question. I ain’t playing that game, bitch.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:47 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:Not at all. You're the one who keeps deflecting. You keep ignoring my calls to justify your own moral framework (and do so again in this post) and instead call on me to answer questions about the flood, dinosaurs, the shape of the earth, or other non-sequiturs because you don't want a serious discussion. You just want to mock.
Pathetic excuse. A deflection.
I'm not giving you the satisfaction of letting you control the discussion. If you want to talk about the justness and morality of God judging the Canaanites for their rebellion against Him, we can do that when I'm satisfied that you've given a reasonable defense of your own moral position. Otherwise you are simply calling attention to an alleged problem that cannot possibly exist in your own worldview (the problem of evil).
quote:You want me to play your games. I'm not going to do it. However, if I were going to stoop to your level, I would say that you're doing the same thing that you're accusing me of doing: deflecting.
Already gave you my thoughts on the moral framework of morality many times, which reject. Anything you disagree with you will use to say I’m not answering the question. I ain’t playing that game, bitch
Posted on 7/8/24 at 11:48 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Can't read the whole thread so maybe somebody posted this
White women are the biggest threat to humanity
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Women are the biggest threat to future women.
White women are the biggest threat to humanity
Posted on 7/9/24 at 12:17 am to FooManChoo
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The atheist is essentially just trolling and seeking to destroy while the Christian is seeking to build up.
Such a simplistic outlook.
From an Islamic apologist POV Christians are trying to destroy what they build up.
Destroying something isn't always bad, nor is building something up always good.
And I suspect the trolling you're referencing is mostly aimed at closed minded know it alls like yourself. This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 12:18 am
Posted on 7/9/24 at 12:30 am to FooManChoo
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Rape is sinful and a violation of the 7th commandment.
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
- Numbers 31:17-18
Go ahead Foo, tell us how every single one of these young virgin girls willingly dove straight into bed with the men who just killed their fathers, mothers, brothers, and older sisters.
Also, can you explain to us how these men might have gone about determining the virginity of these girls?
The Bible only speaks of one way. By having sex on a white sheet and checking for blood.
Sounds like these women were raped. And the soldiers lucky enough to find a bleeder got to keep her for himself.
This, of course, would be perfectly moral if your God commanded it. You believe he can order his creation to kill one another and it be moral. Why not rape?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 1:35 am to Azkiger
quote:Atheism offers nothing positive except a false sense of security that one will not be accountable for his actions.
Such a simplistic outlook.
From an Islamic apologist POV Christians are trying to destroy what they build up.
Destroying something isn't always bad, nor is building something up always good.
And I suspect the trolling you're referencing is mostly aimed at closed minded know it alls like yourself.
The “evangelist” atheist can only tear down because he has nothing positive to provide. He has no objective moral standard to offer, so his condemnation of “immoral” actions is hollow and void of meaning.
He has no basis for science in his purposeless, random universe that can’t account for uniformity. He can’t account for reason and logic with his materialistic worldview that can’t account for universal, invariant, and immaterial laws.
The atheist thinks he is intellectually superior than the superstitious religionists while removing the very basis for knowledge. He has his feet firmly planted in thin air with nothing supporting him but his smug condescension. Thats exactly why I said they are trolls.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 1:44 am to Jrv2damac
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It’s like Germany has to go soft on literally anything since World War II
We truly broke them. We destroyed their spirits beyond anything Henry Morganthou could ever dream of. And the world is worse for it. They’re the quintessential Euro-Pussies now.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:22 am to Azkiger
quote:The alternative was to be killed as part of the consequence of war, especially given their idolatry and perverse customs like incest, beastiality, and child sacrifice. Being given life in exchange for marriage was a good deal for women back then, and arranged marriages were not uncommon.
Go ahead Foo, tell us how every single one of these young virgin girls willingly dove straight into bed with the men who just killed their fathers, mothers, brothers, and older sisters.
We need to be careful not to anachronize 21st century feminism back into history. Not marrying for love didn’t mean it was rape.
quote:You are assuming rape when that assumption is unnecessary. A physical exam could determine virginity without first having sex. They could also have simply chosen younger women unlikely to have been married and asked. Who knows? But sex in order to determine virginity was unnecessary.
Also, can you explain to us how these men might have gone about determining the virginity of these girls?
The Bible only speaks of one way. By having sex on a white sheet and checking for blood.
Sounds like these women were raped. And the soldiers lucky enough to find a bleeder got to keep her for himself.
The blood test you reference was not a means of identifying virginity before marriage but proving it afterwards, in case a husband wanted to unjustly divorce his wife on the false accusation of virginal fraud. The sheet or cloak was meant to protect the good name of the woman, not determine if she was wife material ahead of time.
quote:Instead of talking hypothetically, why not show where God commanded anyone to rape a woman? The example you provided doesn’t satisfy my demand because it doesn’t state that rape occurred. Rape is merely an inference you made based on an assumption, but rape was not stated in the text and there are other plausible alternatives to rape that are consistent with the text and the rest of Scripture.
This, of course, would be perfectly moral if your God commanded it. You believe he can order his creation to kill one another and it be moral. Why not rape?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 6:13 am to GoldenGuy
quote:do you live in a world without faggos?
Pussy is undefeated.
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