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re: Gillibrand with the big opiod fix
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:48 am to Jbird
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:48 am to Jbird
Doctors and Hospitals used to not care about pain. It was a side effect of the healing process, not something to be healed.
Now that hospital patient satisfaction scores are vitally important to funding, we invented a new disease called "pain" and the only prescription are synthetic opioids so Joe and Jane Six Pack give the doctors a 10 for their hospital experience.
Now that hospital patient satisfaction scores are vitally important to funding, we invented a new disease called "pain" and the only prescription are synthetic opioids so Joe and Jane Six Pack give the doctors a 10 for their hospital experience.
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Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:52 am to Jbird
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Because no one needs a month’s supply for a wisdom tooth extraction.
No one is getting a 30 day supply of opioids for their wisdom tooth. Doctors are already sheepish as is.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:52 am to Muthsera
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Now that hospital patient satisfaction scores are vitally important to funding, we invented a new disease called "pain" and the only prescription are synthetic opioids so Joe and Jane Six Pack give the doctors a 10 for their hospital experience.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:53 am to Jbird
This is incredibly dumb and will make things worse.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:55 am to Jbird
There’s lots of fake pressed ones with fentanyl in it, looks real even. Not sure what the solution to this crap is. The cracking down only drove people to harder stuff
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:01 am to Muthsera
You have obviously never been in enough pain then, good for you. There is some truth to what you are saying, but it's not the whole story. Plus, just because you get pain medication after surgery in the hospital doesn't mean you're sent home with a 100 pill prescription. People should be comfortable if the option is present, we aren't living in the 1500s. Even the bible mentions in proverbs about giving wine to the one who is depressed and strong drink to the one who is dying.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:10 am to prattalumni
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Plus, just because you get pain medication after surgery in the hospital doesn't mean you're sent home with a 100 pill prescription.
I'm not even talking so much about medical procedures or hospital policy, I'm talking about the entire philosophy of medicine.
It used to be that the doctor was the authority and the patient had little to no say in the course of their treatment. As we have moved towards a more "patient centered" medicine, we have started accumulating all sorts of terrible decisions.
Speaking broadly:
-Patients don't want to feel any pain
-Patients want all possible tests done
-Patients may prefer "natural" remedies or have a long list of "allergies" and "sensitivities" from some quack in a strip mall that demands a curated treatment plan
-Patients expect to be treated and not to maintain any degree of self-care
Doctors used to be able to say suck it up or GTFO. That isn't the case any more, to thebdrtriment of healthcare in the US.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:14 am to Muthsera
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Muthsera
Like society in general, we moved from paternal to maternal medicine.
It has consequences.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:19 am to Muthsera
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Doctors used to be able to say suck it up or GTFO
They can still say that but in a different way, as can patients. This is a free market system and patients having more say I think is a good thing. The doctors don't have to do what you ask, but it's nice to let them know where you're coming from.
Are you suggesting a one size fits all kind of treatment? That's sounds like some broke arse communist system.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:20 am to Jbird
Ibruprofen or an equivalent, is adequate for the vast majority of pain sufferers. They pass this shite out like candy and people ( including my only sibling) get injured, get addicted and die like flies. And we have two camps - the Darwin Camp and the Concerned Camp that argues this shite endlessly. No real progress ever seems to be made on this.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:21 am to Ace Midnight
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had a dentist write a script for 14 Lortab following a wisdom tooth extraction years and years ago.
I looked at him incredulously - I said, "You know I'm going to take 3, maybe 4 of these, tops, right?" I took exactly 3.
Well i can say when mine were cut out that i hurt very badly for atleast 5 days, and i needed to take them as prescribed. I was given 7.5 mg percocet. My brother ended up with complications and lots of swelling that lasted a long time becajse he had all 4 done at once, and i only grew 2. He needed the dose for over a week. This was like 15 years ago though
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:30 am to Jbird
When I broke my leg 2 years ago, a 7 day supply wouldn't have been enough.
No doubt there are people who abuse scripts but right now there are many people who need acute and long term pain management and are unable to get it.
Wife had shoulder surgery on Monday and we still have been unable to get her script filled due to "verification". Once her nerve block wore off it has been hell for her.
No doubt there are people who abuse scripts but right now there are many people who need acute and long term pain management and are unable to get it.
Wife had shoulder surgery on Monday and we still have been unable to get her script filled due to "verification". Once her nerve block wore off it has been hell for her.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:31 am to Damone
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I thought medical treatment was only a decision between the patient and their doctor? Why is she trying to control womens’ bodies?
True, but
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Because no one needs a month’s supply for a wisdom tooth extraction.
She's not wrong.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:34 am to Jbird
I thought Trump already limited them? I know they changed the prescription limits over a year ago. You don’t get a month of painkillers for a wisdom tooth anymore.
Long term it will help people from getting addicted. Those already addicted are going to heroin when they can no longer easily get pills. Not much you can do there except wait for most of them to get help themselves or die
Long term it will help people from getting addicted. Those already addicted are going to heroin when they can no longer easily get pills. Not much you can do there except wait for most of them to get help themselves or die
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:36 am to Ace Midnight
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Folks that sit around and take pain meds for fun have always perplexed me. Stimulants? I get that. I LOVE caffeine. L-O-V-E it. If I had gotten ahold of some cocaine when I was young, we would have had trouble.
The best feeling in the world is a couple lines of coke with a percocet and a stout bourbon
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:40 am to Snipe
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She's not wrong.
She's not wrong, but at the same time, nobody's getting a month's supply for a wisdom tooth extraction.
I know in Tennessee, they simply can't write them like that anymore. They are limited to a one week supply, after which you have to go back. Also, they have to check the Prescription Drug Monitoring Database before writing you in the first place. And that's not just for opioids. It's for anything schedule 3 or lower, I believe.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:42 am to Ace Midnight
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Folks that sit around and take pain meds for fun have always perplexed me. Stimulants? I get that. I LOVE caffeine. L-O-V-E it. If I had gotten ahold of some cocaine when I was young, we would have had trouble. But, I made some "life choices" that have served me well. Nancy Reagan was right,
For a lot of people, me included, pain meds can act as a stimulant. When I used to take some percs I would get a huge burst of energy and get a ton of stuff done.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:43 am to DavidTheGnome
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There’s lots of fake pressed ones with fentanyl in it, looks real even. Not sure what the solution to this crap is. The cracking down only drove people to harder stuff
The solution is to let people make their own decisions about what to put in their bodies.
Stop punishing innocent people because of those who abuse.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:44 am to SSpaniel
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She's not wrong, but at the same time, nobody's getting a month's supply for a wisdom tooth extraction.
I was written a 30 day prescription for a tooth extraction about 1 year and a half ago. I was also written a 30 day prescription for bursitis less than a year ago. Never filled any of them because I don't need that shite Tylenol works fine for me.
They DO write them. A lot, maybe just not in Tennessee.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:45 am to GumboPot
Almost all of them make you nauseous. Especially on an empty stomach and if you don't have a tolerance built up. Nauseous, constipation and itchy...until you get hooked and then you become all of those things if you don't have the substance. Its definitely a chemical dependency and one that has affected all kinds of people from all kinds of backgrounds
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