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re: Get Digging! 2800 JFK Documents Released.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 11:31 am to BugAC
Posted on 10/27/17 at 11:31 am to BugAC
quote:No.
the kill shot?
IAW the Warren Commission Oswald single shooter theory, there were 3 shots.
The First Shot
The First (Magic Bullet) struck JFK high in the back, exited his larynx (neck) then struck Connally breaking ribs, puncturing his lung, shattering his wrist bones, eventually exiting in his leg. A piece of that bullet apparently also cracked the limo windshield.
The bullet was later found on Connally's stretcher. After all the damage inflicted, here is an image of the supposed bullet . . .
The Second Shot
The Second shot was a miss. If it originated from the 6th Fl of TSBD, it was a horrible shot. It struck a curb twice the distance away from the eventual "kill" shot.
The Third Shot
The Third Shot was the head shot.
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Today in Dallas, X's mark the two spots on Elm Street where JFK was hit.
I've got them highlighted in the image below (red circles).
If you enlarge the image, you'll see the X road markers.
The long arrow indicates trajectory of the first shot.
The second shot impacted Elm St's left curb beyond the left edge of the photo.
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 11:50 am
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Posted on 10/27/17 at 12:16 pm to NC_Tigah
From the LBJ tapes comes this conversation between him and J Edgar Hoover about a week after the assassination. What Hoover tells LBJ is a damn joke or he was a Goddamn liar. Its a damn shame this is the best our country could do a week after the event. We were acting like a banana republic. See bolded parts below.
(31) Lyndon B. Johnson: How many shots were fired? Three?
(32) J. Edgar Hoover: Three.
(33) Lyndon B. Johnson: Any of them fired at me?6
(34) J. Edgar Hoover: No.
(35) Lyndon B. Johnson: All three at the President?
(36) J. Edgar Hoover: All three at the president and we have them. Two of the shots fired at the President were splintered but they had characteristics on them so that our ballistics expert was able to prove that they were fired by this gun. The President-he was hit by the first and third. The second shot hit the Governor the third shot is a complete bullet and that rolled out of the President's head It tore a large part of the President's head off and, in trying to massage his heart at the hospital on the way to the hospital, they apparently loosened that and it fell off onto the stretcher.7 And we recovered that... And we have the gun here also.
(37) Lyndon B. Johnson: Were they aiming at the President?
(38) J. Edgar Hoover: They were aiming directly at the President. There is no question about that. This telescopic lens, which I've looked through-it brings a person as close to you as if they were sitting right beside you. And we also have tested the fact that you could fire those three shots... within three seconds. There had been some stories going around... that there must have been more than one man because no one man could fire those shots in the time that they were fired...
(39) Lyndon B. Johnson: How did it happen they hit Connally?
(40) J. Edgar Hoover: Connally turned to the President when the first shot was fired and I think in that turning, it was where he got hit.
(41) Lyndon B. Johnson: If he hadn't turned, he probably wouldn't have got hit?
(42) J. Edgar Hoover: I think that is very likely.
(43) Lyndon B. Johnson: Would the President've got hit with the second one?
(44) J. Edgar Hoover: No, the President wasn't hit with the second one.
(45) Lyndon B. Johnson: I say, if Connally hadn't been in his way?
(46) J. Edgar Hoover: Oh, yes, yes, the President would no doubt have been hit.
(47) Lyndon B. Johnson: He would have been hit three times.
(48) J. Edgar Hoover: He would have been hit three times from the fifth floor of that building where we found the gun and the wrapping paper in which the gun was wrapped... and upon which we found the full fingerprints of this man Oswald. On that floor we found the three empty shells that had been fired and one shell that had not been fired... He then threw the gun aside and came down. At the entrance of the building, he was stopped by a police officer and some manager in
the building told the police officer, "Well, he's all right. He works there. You needn't hold him." They let him go... And then he got on a bus... He went out to his home and got ahold of a jacket.... and he came back downtown... and the police officer who was killed stopped him, not knowing'who he was and not knowing whether he was the man, but just on suspicion. And he fired, of course, and killed the police officer. Then he walked.
(49) Lyndon B. Johnson: You can prove that?
(50) J. Edgar Hoover: Oh, yes, oh, yes, we can prove that. Then he walked about another two blocks and went to the theater5 and the woman at the theater window selling the tickets,6 she was so suspicious the way he was acting, she said he was carrying a gun... He went into the theater and she notified the police and the police and our man down there went in there and located this particular man. They had quite a struggle with him. He fought like a regular lion and he had to be subdued, of course, and was then brought out and... taken to the police headquarters....
(51) Lyndon B. Johnson: Well your conclusion is: (1) he's the one that did it; (2) the man he was after was the President; (3) he would have hit him three times, except the Governor turned.
(52) J. Edgar Hoover: I think that is correct.
Hoover essentially admits that a shot came from the front which Connally blocked. Also the part about the bullet coming out of JFK's head is simply a farce. In regards to the theatre shooting, the Texas Theatre was not downtown. It was miles away in Oak Cliff. I've driven by it several times. J. Edgar Hoover was maybe the worst FBI director in history.
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(31) Lyndon B. Johnson: How many shots were fired? Three?
(32) J. Edgar Hoover: Three.
(33) Lyndon B. Johnson: Any of them fired at me?6
(34) J. Edgar Hoover: No.
(35) Lyndon B. Johnson: All three at the President?
(36) J. Edgar Hoover: All three at the president and we have them. Two of the shots fired at the President were splintered but they had characteristics on them so that our ballistics expert was able to prove that they were fired by this gun. The President-he was hit by the first and third. The second shot hit the Governor the third shot is a complete bullet and that rolled out of the President's head It tore a large part of the President's head off and, in trying to massage his heart at the hospital on the way to the hospital, they apparently loosened that and it fell off onto the stretcher.7 And we recovered that... And we have the gun here also.
(37) Lyndon B. Johnson: Were they aiming at the President?
(38) J. Edgar Hoover: They were aiming directly at the President. There is no question about that. This telescopic lens, which I've looked through-it brings a person as close to you as if they were sitting right beside you. And we also have tested the fact that you could fire those three shots... within three seconds. There had been some stories going around... that there must have been more than one man because no one man could fire those shots in the time that they were fired...
(39) Lyndon B. Johnson: How did it happen they hit Connally?
(40) J. Edgar Hoover: Connally turned to the President when the first shot was fired and I think in that turning, it was where he got hit.
(41) Lyndon B. Johnson: If he hadn't turned, he probably wouldn't have got hit?
(42) J. Edgar Hoover: I think that is very likely.
(43) Lyndon B. Johnson: Would the President've got hit with the second one?
(44) J. Edgar Hoover: No, the President wasn't hit with the second one.
(45) Lyndon B. Johnson: I say, if Connally hadn't been in his way?
(46) J. Edgar Hoover: Oh, yes, yes, the President would no doubt have been hit.
(47) Lyndon B. Johnson: He would have been hit three times.
(48) J. Edgar Hoover: He would have been hit three times from the fifth floor of that building where we found the gun and the wrapping paper in which the gun was wrapped... and upon which we found the full fingerprints of this man Oswald. On that floor we found the three empty shells that had been fired and one shell that had not been fired... He then threw the gun aside and came down. At the entrance of the building, he was stopped by a police officer and some manager in
the building told the police officer, "Well, he's all right. He works there. You needn't hold him." They let him go... And then he got on a bus... He went out to his home and got ahold of a jacket.... and he came back downtown... and the police officer who was killed stopped him, not knowing'who he was and not knowing whether he was the man, but just on suspicion. And he fired, of course, and killed the police officer. Then he walked.
(49) Lyndon B. Johnson: You can prove that?
(50) J. Edgar Hoover: Oh, yes, oh, yes, we can prove that. Then he walked about another two blocks and went to the theater5 and the woman at the theater window selling the tickets,6 she was so suspicious the way he was acting, she said he was carrying a gun... He went into the theater and she notified the police and the police and our man down there went in there and located this particular man. They had quite a struggle with him. He fought like a regular lion and he had to be subdued, of course, and was then brought out and... taken to the police headquarters....
(51) Lyndon B. Johnson: Well your conclusion is: (1) he's the one that did it; (2) the man he was after was the President; (3) he would have hit him three times, except the Governor turned.
(52) J. Edgar Hoover: I think that is correct.
Hoover essentially admits that a shot came from the front which Connally blocked. Also the part about the bullet coming out of JFK's head is simply a farce. In regards to the theatre shooting, the Texas Theatre was not downtown. It was miles away in Oak Cliff. I've driven by it several times. J. Edgar Hoover was maybe the worst FBI director in history.
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Posted on 10/27/17 at 12:25 pm to Big12fan
Not to mention that Oswald announced loudly when the police apprehended him in the theatre that he was not resisting arrest. Also Kennedy wasn't hit by the first shot but was by the second and third. The first shot deflected off of a stop light and hit the street curbing. A spectator at the parade was hit by a chunk of concrete from the curb and was noticed to be bleeding by an officer that arrived at the scene. One other thing, Oswald wasn't on the fifth floor. He was on the sixth.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 12:27 pm to 88Wildcat
quote:
Also Kennedy wasn't hit by the first shot but was by the second and third.
I don't think this is correct.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 12:41 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
NC_Tigah
quote:
In 1993 computer animator Dale Myers embarked on a 10-year project[75] to completely render the events of November 22 in 3D computer animation. His results were shown as part of ABC's documentary The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Conspiracy in 2003, and won an Emmy award.
To render his animation, Myers took photographs, home footage, blueprints and plans, and attempted to use them to create an accurate computer reenactment of the assassination. His work was assessed by Z-Axis who have been involved in producing computer generated animations of events, processes and concepts for major litigations in the United States and Europe.
Their assessment concluded that Myers' animation allowed the assassination sequence to be viewed "from any point of view with absolute geometric integrity" and that they "believe that the thoroughness and detail incorporated into his work is well beyond that required to present a fair and accurate depiction."[76]
Myers' animation found that the bullet wounds were consistent with JFK's and Governor Connally's positions at the time of shooting, and that by following the bullet's trajectory backwards it could be found to have originated from a narrow cone including only a few windows of the sixth floor of the School Book Depository, one of which was the sniper's nest of boxes from which the rifle barrel had been seen protruding by witnesses.
In the same ABC documentary, Myers uses a close-up examination of the Zapruder film to justify the single-bullet theory and calls attention to frames 224 and 225 on the Zapruder film where the right side lapel of Governor Connally's jacket appears to "pop out," as if being pushed from within by an unseen force. Myers theorizes that this is the moment of impact, when both Kennedy and Connally were struck by the same bullet from Oswald's rifle. Myers also argues out that in frames 225-230 both Kennedy and Connally are simultaneously reacting to the impact of the bullet. There is no other point on the film which shows either Kennedy or Connally reacting because they have been shot, they both react at the same time, frame 225, because that is when the single bullet hits both of them.
If the bullet exited Connally's chest below the nipple the lapel would be too high to have popped out due to direct contact with the bullet[77][78] but surgeon John Lattimer has argued that jacket bulged out because of the "hail of rib fragments and soft tissue" as the bullet tumbled in Connally's body.[79]
I watched that show a few years back. Trajectory and bullet impact are consistent with Oswald being shooter, according to the 10 year investigation.
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 10/27/17 at 12:44 pm to Big12fan
There is so much incorrect with that conversation between Hoover and LBJ that its hard to wrap your head around it. It legit sounds like 2 dudes bullshitting around a water cooler. Except of course the 2 dudes in this case happen to be the person in charge of the investigation and the most powerful man in the world.
What an awful awful awful piece of police work that is.
What an awful awful awful piece of police work that is.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 12:52 pm to blowmeauburn
quote:
There is so much incorrect with that conversation between Hoover and LBJ that its hard to wrap your head around it. It legit sounds like 2 dudes bullshitting around a water cooler. Except of course the 2 dudes in this case happen to be the person in charge of the investigation and the most powerful man in the world.
Hoover's ignorance being the head of the FBI a week after the event is on the level of Barney Fife. Only other explanation is that he was intentionally lying his arse off.
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 10/27/17 at 3:47 pm to GEAUXmedic
Operation 40 - Wikispooks
Member when I first used the word spook on here and people thought it was racist?
Member when I first used the word spook on here and people thought it was racist?
Posted on 10/27/17 at 3:54 pm to GEAUXmedic
So far it sounds like Oswald was the lone shooter. What may be different now is motive, who put Oswald up to it, and who knew about it. In other words, there was a conspiracy of some kind. Is that generally accurate?
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 10/27/17 at 4:05 pm to Big12fan
quote:
Hoover's ignorance being the head of the FBI a week after the event is on the level of Barney Fife. Only other explanation is that he was intentionally lying his arse off.
It was 1963, one week after the shooting, Hoover was probably repeating to LBJ without notes what the lead field agent had told him over the phone from Texas. We should not be surprised that he did not remember every detail verbatim. A complete written report was probably still in progress and would have to be hand carried by courier or mailed to Hoover, there was no FedEx or Email.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 4:16 pm to BamaChemE
This shite is why I was a little meh about the files getting released. Little chance for positives, lots of chances for idiots who don't understand how government works to declare victory on whatever conspiracy theory they want.
What is actually linked to: a detailed summary of what would be required to duplicate various Soviet planes, and possible applications, of which one sentence was for a false flag towards the end of the summary.
People, these think tanks just put options on paper. It literally doesn't mean anything. Show me a memo of a joint chief mulling it over and you have the start of s smoking gun.
But just because there is a study, whose organizers are told to include every imagined element of relevence with no filtering, with a false flag in it somewhere doesn't mean shite.
For fricks sake, we have multiple detailed plans on how to annex and neutralize Canada. Do you really think we plan on doing it, or ever did in modern history?
quote:
So in this one, the CIA details the benefits of getting a Soviet jet and using it in a false flag attack:
What is actually linked to: a detailed summary of what would be required to duplicate various Soviet planes, and possible applications, of which one sentence was for a false flag towards the end of the summary.
People, these think tanks just put options on paper. It literally doesn't mean anything. Show me a memo of a joint chief mulling it over and you have the start of s smoking gun.
But just because there is a study, whose organizers are told to include every imagined element of relevence with no filtering, with a false flag in it somewhere doesn't mean shite.
For fricks sake, we have multiple detailed plans on how to annex and neutralize Canada. Do you really think we plan on doing it, or ever did in modern history?
Posted on 10/27/17 at 4:22 pm to BugAC
It's pretty funny watching you anti conspiracy folk get so triggered
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 10/27/17 at 5:15 pm to BugAC
quote:Trajectory and bullet impact of the first shot are consistent with Oswald being shooter, according to the Warren Commission as well.
Trajectory and bullet impact are consistent with Oswald being shooter, according to the 10 year investigation.
I'd like to believe that.
Really.
Because the conclusion otherwise is that an Oswald bullet may not have hit JFK at all.
So, I'd really like to believe Oswald fired that first shot.
I did at one time.
Unfortunately, then I viewed the location from the 6th Floor of the TSBD.
Something is amiss.
Here is a frame taken by Tina Towner about 5 seconds before the first shot.
You can see the requisite trajectory. Right?
so, you tell me . . .
Posted on 10/28/17 at 1:22 pm to bigtrain333
What about the pistol being broken? What about his rifle not even being sighted in? Had to shim the scope to get it to even be near POI!
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