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re: GA SecStateOffice denies State Election board access to communications w/election workers

Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:13 am to
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17240 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:13 am to
Can I simply ask....why would anyone want to communicate with election workers? Ask the what exactly?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87322 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:20 am to
quote:

"muh this is all right-wing conspiracy theory." - SFP, Pedofagger, Fagreb, Low cuck, etc etc etc.



LOL

You're center left compared to me
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87322 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:23 am to
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He does but Kemp and Ras rebuked him. Then Trump gets mad.


The weeks of national media fury over Kemp leading and passing multiple election reform packages the entire leftist establishment claimed to be historically fascist - poof - never happened for you guys
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:44 am to
quote:

The weeks of national media fury over Kemp leading and passing multiple election reform packages the entire leftist establishment claimed to be historically fascist - poof - never happened for you guys
all the rules and laws in the world do not mean a hill of beans if not enforced.

Without the lawyers and monitors in place there is no enforcement possible.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87322 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:47 am to
Ok - why are you confident things will go badly?

Conditions are better for Trump in 2024 in GA and the environment is probably harder to cheat in. So why all the preemptive meltdowns?
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5900 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:52 am to
quote:

Apparently, there are a lot of people who don't understand some of us who complained about Trump attacking leaders in the State of Georgia at a rally when he should be attacking Harris' (lack of effective) policies.

Georgia is apparently a "swing state," and Trump's post-2000 tantrum helped give Georgia two Democrat Senators.

Trump could attempt to work with Kemp and the SoS to ensure the elections are handled correctly going forward and talk about that at his rallies, instead Trump keeps relitigating 2020 as part of his Festivas ritual.

The TD members on here that believe we are saying that Kemp/berger are off limits are many of the ones that also think Trump never does anything wrong.

Priva


That is one of the most idiotic post I have ever seen. His tantrums did not give Georgia two Dem senators but the rampant cheating sure did. Guess who was part of the steal? The leaders of Ga. (Kemp and Ratburger).
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23751 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:54 am to
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The willful lack of transparency is stunning ….


It's also very telling..... In what way would communications being monitored make anyone feel intimidated????
I suppose if the workers communications contain evidence or information about cheating, THEN the monitoring would cause them to feel intimidated!!!!

Even if true..... The negative consequences to our nation if election fraud/cheating occurs certainly outweighs an election workers feelings.
fricking ridiculous argument. Anyone supporting fair elections would agree to total transparency. Period.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77591 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:57 am to
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why would anyone want to communicate with election workers? Ask the what exactly?

Do they want to communicate with the election workers, or do they want transparency on what the SOS office is communicating to the election workers?

There's a distinct difference. If Raffensperger doesn't want transparency on what his office is communicating to the election workers, then that's a problem.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23751 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:58 am to
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Trump could attempt to work with Kemp and the SoS to ensure the elections are handled correctly going forward and talk about that at his rallies, instead Trump keeps relitigating 2020 as part of his Festivas ritual.


Please explain how that works???
Trusting someone who has already proven they are untrustworthy???
That's not logical nor reasonable.
It's a ridiculous idea!
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87322 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:06 am to
I don't like Raf so I don't care if he gets dumped on

I don't really understand the contention here though. If there is an app created for the SOS to communicate with election workers during elections, I would think they'd be subject to sunshine laws/ORRs/etc. like everything else and the public would gain access to those communications.

I think it would be GREAT if the app was available to the public to monitor in real time or close to it, but I also don't know that there is really precedent for that in any other arena of state government (Georgia or elsewhere)
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:10 am to
A) it isn't a melt down.

B) If there's any weakness/holes the Dems have proven they will take advantage if they can.

C) The lack of transparency here is indeed telling.

D) see (b), Kemp isn't going to let the Trump campaign use "his" poll watchers and lawyers.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87322 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:11 am to
Kemp not being in direct coordination with Trump poll watchers/lawyers doesn't mean they won't be used. I guarantee you Trump poll watchers and lawyers will be on the ground in GA.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:12 am to
I think we can all agree that the Georgia Election Board should at least be able to review it.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
25893 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:13 am to
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I think we can all agree that the Georgia Election Board should at least be able to review it.


I would assume they can take legal action to get the info.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
31661 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:13 am to
Can they not subpoena the information?
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
11078 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:14 am to
quote:

Trump could attempt to work with Kemp and the SoS to ensure the elections are handled correctly going forward and talk about that at his rallies, instead Trump keeps relitigating 2020 as part of his Festivas ritual.



Well, 2020 happened and Kemp and Raffenturd gave GA to the democrats. Then when Trump called to make the "perfect phone call" to ask Raff to "find the votes", Raff knew what Trump meant. But Raff decided to twist it, record the call illegally, testify to the Marxists to back up the assertion that Trump wanted Raff to illegally fabricate votes. There is the whole Fani trial debacle going on because of this. Trump was booked, charged and had to stand trial for the lies Raffenturd and his team made up. There are State Election Board hearings going on that are laying the evidence on the table of the 2020 vote fraud. So, once you digest all that, you seem to think that Trump is supposed to work with Kemp and his SOS? After all they did to Trump so far, you think they are going to lift a finger to help Trump?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
31661 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:15 am to
You know state employees are subject to turning over any communication?

I have a work computer and phone. The state could come get that anytime they want and look through it.

Why is it different for them?

Oh yeah, I'm not trying to cover up shite. They're allowed to.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:38 am to
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Kemp not being in direct coordination with Trump poll watchers/lawyers doesn't mean they won't be used. I guarantee you Trump poll watchers and lawyers will be on the ground in GA.

that's the point. It won't be "Kemp's" trained and experienced GA GOP poll watchers and lawyers. Lara Trump was informed of that last week. She will have to build it from scratch and do it before mail in ballots go out.

So even if she pulls it off and gets the training in place, and if she finds the lawyers from outside GA and gets them registered to practice in GA (sure, the SoS won't slow walk those) they will never be effective as the previously trained and experienced personnel.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
2984 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:45 am to
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The weeks of national media fury over Kemp leading and passing multiple election reform packages the entire leftist establishment claimed to be historically fascist - poof - never happened for you guys


Trump’s looking at more than that.

He’s still facing trial in Georgia. The Feds are trying to restart his Florida trial. Several of his associates have been convicted, and forced to pay fines because they said the election results were fraudulent.

Exposing it all throws all of that out.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:49 am to
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You know state employees are subject to turning over any communication?

I have a work computer and phone. The state could come get that anytime they want and look through it.

Why is it different for them?

Oh yeah, I'm not trying to cover up shite. They're allowed to.
A) not all of these guys/gals are state employees. Many of them are volunteers, especially the poll watchers. Some are employees, directly, of the GA GOP. But those are usually organizers/administrators herding cats over the volunteers.

B) have no idea, but does it require a subpoena or some form of administrative directive to turn those over? I doubt the Trump campaign has the authority.. it resides with the state's elected officials, who are the ones refusing to cooperate.
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