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re: Full list of the items that are now exempt from Tariffs
Posted on 4/12/25 at 5:18 pm to BBONDS25
Posted on 4/12/25 at 5:18 pm to BBONDS25
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worked for an M&A firm before focusing on tax
So, you weren't very good at mergers and acquisitions, you had to move on, got it.
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Leverage is exactly what Trump is using here.
Look at the bond market. He's going to have to sell a lot of bonds to cover his budget deficit, while his existing debt is getting more expensive. That's leverage other countries have on him. Looks like there's movement towards German bonds now. He has to get all this done soon, he's pressed for time. That's leverage other countries have on him. They could start stalling while mitigating the damage caused by Trump's disruptions by filling market gaps between themselves.
Regardless of what you want to believe, Trump could've started negotiating from a much stronger position. He could've better utilized the power of the US, but he's pushing all of our former allies and adversaries together in a common economic struggle against the US. And now his pants have fallen down to his ankles, and his fanboys are trying to tell everyone he's just trying to swing his little peen.
Clown.
Show.
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Posted on 4/12/25 at 5:22 pm to Harry Boutte
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So, you weren't very good at mergers and acquisitions, you had to move on, got it.
think real real hard why it might be a good idea to have a tax guy negotiating in M&A. You moron. You don’t know what you dont know and you opine with hubris from a place of complete ignorance. Typical far left wacko. Tax as a stand alone is a far more lucrative career…at least where I was. Again. You are completely ignorant. Tell us about your big negotiations.
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Clown. Show.
Typical liberal projection.
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 4/12/25 at 5:25 pm to mmcgrath
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. It is reportedly 40% of the goods that America imports from China.
Reported by who?
Posted on 4/12/25 at 5:28 pm to Harry Boutte
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Look at the bond market. He's going to have to sell a lot of bonds to cover his budget deficit, while his existing debt is getting more expensive. That's leverage other countries have on him. Looks like there's movement towards German bonds now. He has to get all this done soon, he's pressed for time. That's leverage other countries have on him. They could start stalling while mitigating the damage caused by Trump's disruptions by filling market gaps between themselves.
Probably behind 95% of everything we've seen. Trump threw a Hail Mary because that was all he could do, and it was spiked into the turf by the treasurys market. I don't blame him for that, and I think his capitulating on tariffs is an ominous sign for what's to come.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 5:52 pm to BBONDS25
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Typical far left wacko.
Okay, you're not serious.
Good luck at your job.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:01 pm to David_DJS
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Trump threw a Hail Mary because that was all he could do
I don't think he had to. I think he could've gotten his domestic house in order before renegotiating international trade deals. He could have balanced the budget and refinanced the debt to give himself a stronger position. And then he could've picked his battles better when he did start on trade, targeting specific market sectors.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:04 pm to BBONDS25
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Tell us about your big negotiations.
Let's set aside the attempts at BDE on an anonymous forum for God's sake and look at the actual issue.
Explain how unilaterally giving away part of your leverage with a principal is a good negotiation tactic. It was clearly relinquished due to pressures from third parties. If China had done the same thing, everyone here would have been saying China bent the knee, and rightfully so.
When entering into a high-stakes negotiation, you have to have your client prepped regarding the realities of what pain the process may cause. They have to be onboard, and you have to have a good idea of how much they will tolerate before they cave. When you overplay your hand and you are forced to capitulate before any concessions, it will not be considered good negotiating. Failure to gauge your client's wherewithal is indeed a failure.
Engaging China with tariffs to effect fair(er) trade was a very solid plan however the execution has been poor.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:04 pm to Harry Boutte
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I don't think he had to. I think he could've gotten his domestic house in order before renegotiating international trade deals. He could have balanced the budget and refinanced the debt to give himself a stronger position. And then he could've picked his battles better when he did start on trade, targeting specific market sectors.
Almost agreed. I don't think a balanced budget was realistic. But we could have headed that way. Bit I agree with everything else.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:06 pm to Harry Boutte
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Regardless of what you want to believe, Trump could've started negotiating from a much stronger position. He could've better utilized the power of the US, but he's pushing all of our former allies and adversaries together in a common economic struggle against the US. And now his pants have fallen down to his ankles, and his fanboys are trying to tell everyone he's just trying to swing his little peen.
Your perspective, as many others around here, is viewed thru a TDS skewed lens. What you describe above is simply YOUR opinion, YOUR perspective. Your opinion is no more important or credible than anyone elses, yet you speak as though you have some type of higher understanding than others. Thats YOUR hubris and grandiosity.
Your shallow perspective doesn't take into account what other countries response will be, it doesn't take into consideration the millions of American jobs created by trillions dollars of foreign investment already committed and the benefits to America derived from that.
China is fricked if they cant sell to the American market and they're no longer allowed to cheat shipping their products thru other countries.
We can disagree and argue all day, time will tell.
Tell me, TDS and Marxist folks predictions about Trump have been wrong for the last 4 years, why do you think suddenly that would change simple because you don't like Trump?
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:07 pm to John Barron
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It’s difficult to find another moment in American presidential history that measures up to the intellectual marvel that was Trump’s near destruction of our economy and then his swift and gainless tariff reversal.
This is a nearly perfect statement.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:15 pm to lake chuck fan
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lake chuck fan
Tell me, dumbass.
Did he drain the swamp?
Did he reduce the deficit?
Did he repeal and replace Obamacare?
Did he put Hillary in jail?
Did he build a wall that Mexico paid for?
Did he stop the Ukraine Russia war in 24 hours?
Did he stop HamasIsrael war?
These were all failed promises.
Facts.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:28 pm to Obtuse1
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Explain how unilaterally giving away part of your leverage with a principal is a good negotiation tactic.
What was given up, specifically?
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:35 pm to Harry Boutte
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He could have balanced the budget and refinanced the debt to give himself a stronger position.
I don't think this is realistic at all but if it had been possible, no doubt it would have been a far better strategy. In reality, I don't think the few steps he could have taken in the direction of fiscal responsibility would have been timely enough where the long-term costs of debt we need to finance/refinance this year are concerned.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:36 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Read the top post of this thread. Jesus.
What was given up, specifically?
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:49 pm to John Barron
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Trump blinked first....
I think he was testing their reaction and what move they'd make.
I didn't see Harbor Freights stuff on the list.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:49 pm to BBONDS25
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What was given up, specifically?
JFC are you serious? Retroactively exempting a number of items from the tariffs causes a reduction in leverage when nothing was gained in return. One can argue that this is a method of garnering goodwill in a negotiation, and on the rare occasion it might be warranted, but in this case, good goodwill has nothing to do with the reasoning. I understand the IEEPA approach in this situation (although the precedent might be dangerous) but issues like what forced these exemptions are one of the things a typical congressional approval process is meant to ferret out before implementation so you don't have to backtrack.
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:50 pm to BBONDS25
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What was given up, specifically?
You’re in a thread with a bunch of never trumpers you’re not going to get a serious reply
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:51 pm to mmcgrath
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Read the top post of this thread. Jesus.
You don’t think they can be reinstated? How dumb.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:52 pm to Obtuse1
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Retroactively exempting a number of items from the tariffs causes a reduction in leverage when nothing was gained in return.
You don’t think they can be reinstated? You’re as dumb as McGrath. It’s how negotiations work.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:52 pm to momentoftruth87
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You’re in a thread with a bunch of never trumpers
And they are whining he temporarily lifted tariffs.
morons. 
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