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David_DJS
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re: Friend just dies from the vaccine
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Everyone is in everyone’s sphere, hence masks, vaccines, etc.

No, they're not. I thought we were trying to keep this exchange based in fact, and where everything isn't necessarily black and white.

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A hell of a lot less than Covid. Covid is not the flu.

That's incredible insight. Seriously, who knew? Covid is not the flu.

But why don't we have the answer to that question. Why do smart guys like you shy away from even thinking about it?

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Unfounded, unsupported by scientific data, and pure conjecture, based on several hypotheticals aligning perfectly to yield adverse effect. Kinda the entire point I’m trying to make here.

You're going in circles. Do you believe we know pretty much everything there is to know about the long-term efficacy and side effects of the vaccines?

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I’m actually, as a person, very inclusive of alternative viewpoints. I’m a devil’s advocate, punch holes in every viewpoint until I’m left with what’s most logical. I understand your rights, opinion, etc., I’m just of the opinion that your viewpoint is weak in logic and scientific basis, as I see it. I get you’re making the best decision for you, great, but, what you fail to see is how your decision inherently becomes the decision of everyone, by proxy. You’re mouth breathing morning breath in a crowded room; just take a damn mint and everyone would benefit.

And I view your argument the same way. I see little logic, just a lot of platitudes - "everyone is in everyone's sphere" - and weak science/logic.

I'm not so selfish I only consider myself in the opinion I hold and decisions I make. For a self-identified openminded person, you seem to have difficulty wrapping your mind around someone else's POV.

I've not once made an argument about my rights. It's instructive you injected that in this exchange.

Now then - how deadly do you think the response to COVID will prove to be? Have you ever considered the number of man/woman-years lost to the lockdowns, etc., relative to the real number of COVID deaths over the COVID period (that continues?) And that's deaths, have you considered all the other costs associated with how we've responded to COVID?


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David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
3674 posts

re: Friend just dies from the vaccine
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By all means big guy, break out the statistical analysis to the contrary. Don't be shy.

Well, give us your numerators and denominators. And I hope you're not going to argue 550K deaths and 32 million cases as the COVID scoreboard reads. We're trying to keep this thread at least a little based in reality.


RemouladeSawce
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Well, give us your numerators and denominators. And I hope you're not going to argue 550K deaths and 32 million cases as the COVID scoreboard reads.
Nah, you don't get to be a lazy sack of dopey shite asking others to do all the math for you.

Out of the goodness of my informed heart however I will give you some directional hints
- The 573k deaths in the numerator don't go down. We don't need to concern ourselves with causality as incidence matters ("Nothing close to 1-2% of those that get COVID die")
- The 573k deaths in the numerator goes up as you add some magnitude of COVID deaths from cases that were undiagnosed
- Even doubling the case denominator with 0 increase to incremental associated deaths (which is not possible) would still lead to a unified CFR/IFR of 0.9%. Nothing close?
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We're trying to keep this thread at least a little based in reality.
Bruh just take the L and call it a night.


AcadieAnne
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re: Friend just dies from the vaccine
My parents (over 70, and type II sugar beetus because Louisiana natives) got fully vaccinated. Now, my mother has low blood cell problems that she didn't have before the vaccine.

I now know more people with vaccine complications (1) than I do who had Kung Flu complications (0).

Sorry for your loss, OP.


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AUstar
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re: Friend just dies from the vaccine
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Nothing close to 1-2% of those that get COVID die.


He is right if he's citing the CFR (case fatality rate). About 2% of people (in the U.S.) diagnosed with Covid do indeed die. But that's ALL people included. It would be more helpful to break it down further into age groups (I don't have it in front of me).

Infection fatality rate (IFR) is the number most people cite (usually something like 99.7% chance of survival). All of the IFR numbers are estimates, though, since there is no way to track asymptomatic people.


David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Nah, you don't get to be a lazy sack of dopey shite asking others to do all the math for you.

Says the guy that just regurgitates busll shite fed him and evidently doesn’t know what math is and isn’t.

Here’s what you posted -

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One's a virus that kills between 1-2% of those who get it,

I may have not chosen the words in my post artfully enough, but I don’t think you’re confused by what I was responding to or what I meant. So the numerator does go down, clearly. That’s not math, it’s logic. It’s reality.

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Even doubling the case denominator with 0 increase to incremental associated deaths (which is not possible) would still lead to a unified CFR/IFR of 0.9%. Nothing close?

How about more than doubling? Estimates are all over the map. Some put the umber of infections as high as fives times the number of positive tests.


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David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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He is right if he's citing the CFR (case fatality rate).


Here’s what he posted -

“One's a virus that kills between 1-2% of those who get it,”

Looks like IFR rather than CFR to me.



NC_Tigah
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Here’s what he posted -

“One's a virus that kills between 1-2% of those who get it,”

Looks like IFR rather than CFR to me.
You're right of course. But in fairness, it's almost certainly no less accurate than the OP it rebutted.


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AcadieAnne
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A major point being missed is that nearly every death now counts as a Kung Flu death. Hospitals get paid for Covid deaths.

No one dies from the flu anymore; it's a miracle! We've finally beaten the flu!


Chillini
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No one dies from the flu anymore; it's a miracle! We've finally

Flu numbers are down because masks work.
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SavageReb
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re: Friend just dies from the vaccine
Sorry to hear about your friend. The four people I know that died from covid all died from blood clots. Its possible your friend had covid but didnt know it and the shot exasperated their condition.


Hayekian serf
Member since Dec 2020
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Everyone in my family got it except myself and my children. And we aren’t. But all are fine in my house.


So far


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BFIV
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I’m calling bull shite on the OP.



I'm not. Just got back from Vanderbilt hospital yesterday with Mama BFIV. Long story, but she has cancer and also has to see a neurologist who happens to be the chair of the neurology department. She has a history of pulmonary embolisms and her neurologist told her to NOT take any vaccine other than the Moderna or Phizer because of the risk of embolisms. She's still not going to take any vaccine, though. There is not enough data yet on the long term effects for those people who are susceptible to blood clots. It's a personal decision for all of us.


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Diamondawg
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exasperated
Probably not the word you are looking for but just another dangerous vaccine/anti-vaccine thread. Not sure why Chicken allows this crap on here. I guess he is bullet proof since it's a "platform".


tiggerthetooth
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Flu numbers are down because masks work.


Please link a study showing this.


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how333
Member since Dec 2020
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We are all fine. As are the vast majority of those who got it.


And the 220 million Americans who did not get the vaccine are fine as well.


Nurbis
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re: Friend just dies from the vaccine
This thread is now 11 pages long and the person that started it has not posted in this thread since and has not provided anymore information on their friend. It is a little suspicious, especially when one of their previous posts was, "Facts: the vaccine destroys your immune system forever Do not take it ..."


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LSUTitan
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Things that make you geaux HMMMMM!


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93and99
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Member since Dec 2018
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re: Friend just dies from the vaccine
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Flu numbers are down because masks work.



Who's the retard that told you that?

Flu numbers are down because some in the medical profession are labeling it as the China Virus.

Do people actually talk to doctors to get there answers on the China Virus or do they listen to retards like Pedophile Joe or the media?


Diamondawg
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Do people actually talk to doctors to get there answers on the China Virus or do they listen to retards like Pedophile Joe or the media?

They get their information here.


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