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re: Fox poll claims 10% of republicans less likely to support since he’s been convicted.

Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:37 pm to
Posted by FriedEggBowL
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Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:37 pm to
polled jennifer rubin, bill kristol, pierre delecto, and george conway
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21961 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:37 pm to
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Your threats won't cause me to change my mind. Nothing will make me compromise my Christian values, morals or respect for the law.

My threats? Wtf are you talking about?

I'm simply making the argument that it's instructive that your Christian values have you on a path to help a child molesting pervert, huge supporter of murdering babies, intent on burning the country down - you're more twisted about Trump fricking a porn star than you are with everything Biden.
Posted by MurphyGator
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:38 pm to
I'm quite forgiving. But, nothing in Trump's behavior has shown to me that he has any remorse for all of his lies, cheating, law breaking, etc.

And while I am a forgiving person, I'm not a fool.
Posted by MurphyGator
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:40 pm to
So, because I won't vote Trump that means I'm an awful person who supports everything you listed? I think not.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:40 pm to
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But you can't count on that. There were 2 attorneys empaneled and I doubt Manhattan is 15% attorneys. It would be interesting to know if there was a Trump voter on the jury.


Sure, having 0 is possible. Having 6 is possible too. But it's likely there was 1-3, The most likely number would be 2.

Just because... math.

Here's an interesting article on the Jury.

LINK

They looked at the first 7 jurors selected. Most didn't have a ton of information. If there were one who might seem to lean toward "pro-trump" it would be this guy:


Fourth juror: A middle-aged man born in Puerto Rico who has been living on the Lower East Side for more than four decades. He said he found Trump to be a “fascinating and mysterious” man. “He walks into a room, and he sets people off one way or another,” the juror said. “I find that really interesting. Really, this one guy can do all of this. Wow, that’s what I think.”

I couldn't find similar information on the last 5 jurors.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21961 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:42 pm to
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So, because I won't vote Trump that means I'm an awful person who supports everything you listed? I think not.

You're a little sensitive about this.

I don't know you. I have no reason to think you're an awful person. But I believe you're f'd in the head if you think all of Trump's (many and legit) faults are even in the same stratosphere as Biden's.

There's a difference between thinking you're wrong and thinking you're a bad person.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21961 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:44 pm to
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Just because... math.

Yes. Math.

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They looked at the first 7 jurors selected. Most didn't have a ton of information. If there were one who might seem to lean toward "pro-trump" it would be this guy:


Fourth juror: A middle-aged man born in Puerto Rico who has been living on the Lower East Side for more than four decades. He said he found Trump to be a “fascinating and mysterious” man. “He walks into a room, and he sets people off one way or another,” the juror said. “I find that really interesting. Really, this one guy can do all of this. Wow, that’s what I think.”

That doesn't sound like a Trump voter to me, but then I'm not a professional jury profiler.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7824 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:45 pm to
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Well, his daughter thinks he is. And, I've seen video with my own eyes of him pinching the nipple of a 12 yo girl - and he did that in front of cameras. Add to that how fricked up his kids are and I'm willing to say I believe there is more evidence Biden is a pervert than there is evidence that Trump is a rapist.


Trump was found by a jury to have raped a woman.

Nobody has even brought a charge against Biden

It's interesting how your belief in evidence isn't backed up by any prosecutor willing to act on that evidence, or even a civil jury willing to find against Biden based on evidence.

Trump has had 4 criminal indictments (all with enough evidence to get past a grand jury), a 34 count criminal felony conviction, a civil finding of rape...

but Biden is the bad guy in your eyes.

That's kind of divorced from reality.
Posted by MurphyGator
Member since Jul 2021
1745 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:45 pm to
There is actually a lot more that Trump has done. That's why he has several more court cases coming up. Oh, and I guess you forgot that he already was charged with sexually assaulting (raping) that lady E. Jean Carroll a few months ago. He lost that case, too. And had to pay her $100 million dollars.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:46 pm to
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And while I am a forgiving person, I'm not a fool.



Posted by sabbertooth
A Distant Planet
Member since Sep 2006
6078 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:47 pm to
The problem is getting them to vote.
Posted by da foozball
Member since Nov 2012
698 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:48 pm to
You are a fricking moron!!!!
Posted by MurphyGator
Member since Jul 2021
1745 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:51 pm to
And I think the same of you. The difference between us is that I live in reality. If Biden is guilty of molestation, why is there no evidence? Why has there been no trial?

Also, Why couldn't the House find anything to impeach him on?

I don't care one way or the other about Biden. But, I won't go around calling someone a molester without proof. Old and somewhat senile, yes. But, not a molester until there is evidence and a trial and conviction.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21961 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:52 pm to
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Trump was found by a jury to have raped a woman.

Nobody has even brought a charge against Biden

You need to understand that this isn't the persuasive argument you think it is. The justice system is warped in so many ways, and there's quite literally a very lucrative industry in capitalizing on that.

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It's interesting how your belief in evidence isn't backed up by any prosecutor willing to act on that evidence, or even a civil jury willing to find against Biden based on evidence.

Well, have you watched the video of Trump pinching that girl's nipple? If the video shows that, do you not believe that's evidence of him being a child molester that is more powerful than what 12 people you'll never meet tell you to believe?

Do you think his daughter's diary is fake?

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but Biden is the bad guy in your eyes.

That's kind of divorced from reality.

You're revealing yourself.

I am known around here as a Trump hater. I'm no fan of his and am super critical of his presidency. I think I am pretty rational when it comes to Trump.

And yeah, Biden is immoral AF.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:54 pm to
This guy is trolling you.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21961 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:54 pm to
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Also, Why couldn't the House find anything to impeach him on?

I don't care one way or the other about Biden. But, I won't go around calling someone a molester without proof. Old and somewhat senile, yes. But, not a molester until there is evidence and a trial and conviction.

Don't avoid these questions.

Do you believe Ashley Biden's diary is fake or real?

Do you believe a man pinching the nipple of a 12 yo girl is molestation?
Posted by MurphyGator
Member since Jul 2021
1745 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:55 pm to
What is this nipple pinching video? Never heard of it. Where have you seen it? Will you post it?
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 6:57 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21961 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:56 pm to
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This guy is trolling you.

Bro, he's just a resolute Christian that isn't bothered by abortion, a dad showering with his 12 yo daughter and said daughter writing about how it fricked her up, etc.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100833 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:57 pm to
I believe it. I think it will hurt Trump with women voters. They vote with emotion not logic. They won’t see a misuse of our justice system to destroy a political opponent

They’ll just see “convicted felon” and the fact he tried to pay a woman off to silence her about an affair. That won’t sit with suburban women voters, and they essentially will decide the election
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24870 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:58 pm to
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This guy is trolling you.


Yep. I called it earlier.
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