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re: FOUND: Hamas War Manual (glorifies use of human shields)
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:14 pm to WG_Tiger23
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:14 pm to WG_Tiger23
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WG_Tiger23
I will do as I please you Hamasshole sympathizer
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:16 pm to trackfan
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colonialism is a good and humane thing.
Some things done in the name of colonialism were admittedly inhumane. But dude you live in the US right? Colonialism is the reason this country even exists in its current form...
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:18 pm to jamboybarry
Not a sympathizer
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:18 pm to Porky
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I find it interesting that the assault rifle on the cover appears to be an M-16
Probably leftovers from the bunch Olmert gave Abbas
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:20 pm to jamboybarry
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Probably leftovers from the bunch Olmert gave Abbas
They must be awfully proud of them.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:21 pm to AUin02
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Colonialism is the reason this country even exists in its current form...
What's your point?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:26 pm to Poodlebrain
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Did Israel have the legal right to control access to Gaza by air and sea under the Oslo Accords? Weren't the Israelis allowed to control the air and sea around Gaza until a permanent agreement was reached?
I agree with this, but don't you think that the time to strike a deal with Hamas was after they won the elction and had been observing a 16-month long cease fire, and before they got frustrated and reacted to the blockade? Obviously the status quo was unsustainable.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:38 pm to trackfan
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had been observing a 16-month long cease fire,
Obviously facts are not what you want to hear. What you want to hear is people agreeing with you that Israel is bad and needs to go.
You were given the data of that 16 month ceasefire that they "upheld"... Now that you have been given the facts, you still use it.
The first time you stated it could have been in error, the second is just a flat out lie.
Now I will give you a break down again. Let's see if you want to continue to lie about a 16 month cease fire.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:57 pm to trackfan
There was a lot of distrust to be overcome on both sides, and unfortunately that distrust has only grown since.
Should Israel have taken a more wait and see approach? It's hard to say no in hindsight. But the capture of Shalit six months after the elections would have precipitated some sort of Israeli response.
Should Hamas have made it clear that they had evolved past demanding the elimination of Israel? It would have prevented an awful lot of turmoil and misery.
The mistakes made are all part of the history that now influences the policies of both sides. The issue is what can be done to move things forward? Israel is not going to lift the blockades until some sort of permanent peace arrangement is made, but it must be willing to ease them, and I believe it is willing. Hamas must definitively recognize Israel's right to exist. Those are the necessary first steps. My belief is that the ball is in Hamas' court.
Should Israel have taken a more wait and see approach? It's hard to say no in hindsight. But the capture of Shalit six months after the elections would have precipitated some sort of Israeli response.
Should Hamas have made it clear that they had evolved past demanding the elimination of Israel? It would have prevented an awful lot of turmoil and misery.
The mistakes made are all part of the history that now influences the policies of both sides. The issue is what can be done to move things forward? Israel is not going to lift the blockades until some sort of permanent peace arrangement is made, but it must be willing to ease them, and I believe it is willing. Hamas must definitively recognize Israel's right to exist. Those are the necessary first steps. My belief is that the ball is in Hamas' court.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:04 pm to darkhorse
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:NB4CreatedByTheIDF:
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:12 pm to Poodlebrain
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he mistakes made are all part of the history that now influences the policies of both sides. The issue is what can be done to move things forward? Israel is not going to lift the blockades until some sort of permanent peace arrangement is made, but it must be willing to ease them, and I believe it is willing. Hamas must definitively recognize Israel's right to exist. Those are the necessary first steps. My belief is that the ball is in Hamas' court.
It amazes me that:
1- HE has to lie to to make a point. It invalidates the point.
2- He willfully over looks the 30 years of peace between Egypt and Israel. Are they best buds, no... but they reached an agreement and both have pretty much lived by them.
3- He is using the Hamas election as if it was a great thing. He clearly is staying away from the fact that EGYPT, after the election, set up blockades and only allowed a few things in.. and out. No out cry!
4- As of yesterday.. Hamas turned down Israel's extension of the true unconditionally. Why?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:15 pm to darkhorse
Because rabble-rabble-rabble, that's why.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:17 pm to AUin02
quote:No. Waging a war against colonialism is. If colonialism had succeeded, we'd be part of the commonwealth.
Colonialism is the reason this country even exists in its current form...
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:21 pm to FT
we had the good blessing to be colonized by a western, developed nation of western ideals
we had the good blessing (and intelligence) to also remain being colonized long enough to where we could be autonomous
we had the good blessing (and intelligence) to also remain being colonized long enough to where we could be autonomous
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
I agree, but colonialism is the exact opposite of the reason we're a nation.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Colonialism in North America was not quite the same as colonialism elsewhere. Colonialism elsewhere was predicated on controlling the indigenous population with minimal number colonists. Colonialism in North America was predicated on supplanting the indigenous population with colonists.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:31 pm to Bard
Will likely be discredited by liberal progressives as fabricated propaganda.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:49 pm to darkhorse
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Obviously facts are not what you want to hear. What you want to hear is people agreeing with you that Israel is bad and needs to go.
My problem is more with Likud, the current ruling party in Israel, and other rejectionists, rather that with the Israeli people as a whole.
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You were given the data of that 16 month ceasefire that they "upheld"... Now that you have been given the facts, you still use it.
The first time you stated it could have been in error, the second is just a flat out lie.
Now I will give you a break down again. Let's see if you want to continue to lie about a 16 month cease fire.
I don't know where you got this chart from but there's nothing in it that contrdicts what I said. Hamas ended the cease fire on June 10, 2006. Do the math. Also, do you have a link for the chart?
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Palestinian militants fired five rockets at southern Israel early Thursday, shortly after officials said Israeli threats had cowered the Hamas-led government into stopping the attacks.
The Israeli army said one person was slightly injured in the southern town of Sderot and a building was damaged. The Islamic Jihad military group took responsibility for the attacks.
Hamas had said it was ending a 16-month cease-fire against Israel in response to an explosion Friday that killed eight civilians on a Gaza beach. Several dozen rockets were then launched into Israel, prompting the Israeli government to issue threats against Hamas.
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:53 pm to trackfan
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Palestinian militants fired five rockets at southern Israel early Thursday, shortly after officials said Israeli threats had cowered the Hamas-led government into stopping the attacks.
The Israeli army said one person was slightly injured in the southern town of Sderot and a building was damaged. The Islamic Jihad military group took responsibility for the attacks.
Hamas had said it was ending a 16-month cease-fire against Israel in response to an explosion Friday that killed eight civilians on a Gaza beach. Several dozen rockets were then launched into Israel, prompting the Israeli government to issue threats against Hamas.
So what you are saying is that Hamas was not firing those missiles, the Islamic Jihad Military group was firing from within Gaza and Hamas was unable to stop them ...............
That is laughable.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:54 pm to trackfan
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February 9, 2005 A barrage of 25 to 50 Qassam rockets and mortar shells hit Neve Dekalim settlement, and another barrage hit at noon. Hamas said it was in retaliation for an attack in which one Palestinian was killed near an Israeli settlement.
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July 14, 2005 Dana Galkowicz, 22, was killed in a Qassam attack in Kibbutz Netiv Ha'asara, just north of the Gaza Strip. Hamas, Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine and Fatah all claimed responsibility for the attack.
There were plenty of other rocket attacks from Gaza into Israel in 2005. I only included the ones where Hamas claimed responsibility explicitly.
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