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re: FOUND: Hamas War Manual (glorifies use of human shields)
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:23 pm to Bard
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:23 pm to Bard
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How anyone can support a regime that PURPOSELY puts its civilians in harm's way is beyond me.
Waging a war is one thing, but your cause is worthless if you have to denigrate by intentionally putting innocents up to shield you from retaliation.
One must consider politics weapons of war as well as those which explode. Manipulating your own citizens and ultimately sacrificing them for a cause is not new. It is a despicable act however.
Zionists during WWII purposely allowed Hitler to murder 10's of thousands of Jews because their cause (creating Israel in Palestine) was greater than their desire to save as many Jews as possible.
Examples:
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On December 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared its readiness to find temporary refuge for endangered persons. The British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany. This motion received within two weeks a total of 277 Parliamentary signatures. On Jan. 27, when the next steps were being pursued by over 100 M.P.'s and Lords, a spokesman for the Zionists announced that the Jews would oppose the motion because Palestine was omitted. [Source]
On Feb. 16, 1943 Roumania offered 70,000 Jewish refugees of the Trans-Dniestria to leave at the cost of $50 each. This was publicized in the New York papers. Yitzhak Greenbaum, Chairman of the Rescue Committee of the Jewish Agency, addressing the Zionist Executive Council in Tel Aviv Feb. 18 1943 said, "when they asked me, "couldn't you give money out of the United Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said NO! and I say again, NO!...one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist activities to secondary importance." On Feb. 24, 1943 Stephen Wise, President of the American Jewish Congress and leader of the American Zionists issued a public refusal to this offer and declared no collection of funds would seem justified. In 1944, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People called upon the American government to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise testifying before a special committee of Congress objected to this proposal.
During the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weizman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:49 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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So what you are saying is that Hamas was not firing those missiles, the Islamic Jihad Military group was firing from within Gaza and Hamas was unable to stop them ...............
I didn't write this, the Washington Post, a newspaper known for being sympathetic to Israel, wrote it. On the one hand, all governments are responsible for what goes on inside their borders, but on the other hand, the Mideast is a region known for militias which operate outside of the control of the government. In countries like Lebanon and Iraq, independent militias are stronger the the military. When Arafat was in power, he couldn't fully control Hamas, so why would you expect Hamas to be able to fully control other militias? Of course, Fatah and Hamas must be expected to make a good faith effort to control the other the other militias, but Israel should be able to tell if they're really trying or just turning a blind eye.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:59 pm to trackfan
Trackfan, when I read your posts, all I can think about is that South Park episode about Mormons. Everything you say is just so "dum dum dum dum".
Watch what happens if Hamas, Iran, etc keeps pushing things with Israel. It won't end well for the Islamic extremists I assure you. If you need a refresher, do some research on what happens when all the terrorists from around Israel gang up ok Israel. 6 days and crying for mercy. It's simple, there has never EVER been an Islamic state where Israel is. Instead of recognizing that that Israel has tried to make everyone happy, rockets get fired. People can't forget, Israel wants peace. Hamas and the others want Israel gone and all Jews dead.
Perhaps this video will put it in simple enough terms for you to understand. I'm not optimistic though. Why let facts get in the way, right?
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Watch what happens if Hamas, Iran, etc keeps pushing things with Israel. It won't end well for the Islamic extremists I assure you. If you need a refresher, do some research on what happens when all the terrorists from around Israel gang up ok Israel. 6 days and crying for mercy. It's simple, there has never EVER been an Islamic state where Israel is. Instead of recognizing that that Israel has tried to make everyone happy, rockets get fired. People can't forget, Israel wants peace. Hamas and the others want Israel gone and all Jews dead.
Perhaps this video will put it in simple enough terms for you to understand. I'm not optimistic though. Why let facts get in the way, right?
LINK
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:00 pm to trackfan
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Of course, Fatah and Hamas must be expected to make a good faith effort to control the other the other militias, but Israel should be able to tell if they're really trying or just turning a blind eye.
So you feel like 500 some mortar and rocket attacks on Israel in 2005 was a "good faith" effort by Hamas and Fatah. Got it.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:16 pm to trackfan
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I don't know where you got this chart from but there's nothing in it that contrdicts what I said. Hamas ended the cease fire on June 10, 2006. Do the math. Also, do you have a link for the chart?
You said a 16 month long cease fire. That cease fire ended in Jun of 2006.
The chart covers 16 month prior to the end of your sited ceasefire of June 2006. It clearly shows missle and mortar launches into Israel through out that 16 month cease fire.
Back to this again. You are being shown. Rather than saying, "I didn't know that" and no longer using it, you keep up the lie.
Here's you a link LINK
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:16 pm to darkhorse
He'll abandon thread and lie in a different one. It's his MO.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:26 pm to the808bass
Too many facts. Must use less facts and more fiction for him.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:26 pm to the808bass
I can understand wanting peace. I can understand if he is pro Palestinian. I don't have an issue with that. Just don't lie and continue to lie in the face of facts. It doesn't do his dream, if that's what it is, any good.
It does the opposite. The approach should be for people who support a Palestinian state to stand up and say no more shots fired at Israel. If you do, we will not support you.
Then if Israel doesn't honor their end... then you have a case against them. But until the missiles and mortars stop and attacks stop and stop for a significant time, you have no leg to stand on.
It does the opposite. The approach should be for people who support a Palestinian state to stand up and say no more shots fired at Israel. If you do, we will not support you.
Then if Israel doesn't honor their end... then you have a case against them. But until the missiles and mortars stop and attacks stop and stop for a significant time, you have no leg to stand on.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:29 pm to darkhorse
Darkhorse...smart smart smart smart
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:31 pm to darkhorse
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It does the opposite. The approach should be for people who support a Palestinian state to stand up and say no more shots fired at Israel. If you do, we will not support you.
Too conciliatory to ever be a Muslim strategy. Plus, it's conciliatory towards the Jews. Will not happen.
I appreciate his attempts to claim he is Roman Catholic. And I laugh.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:36 pm to TheInsider
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Trackfan, when I read your posts, all I can think about is that South Park episode about Mormons. Everything you say is just so "dum dum dum dum".
Another prepubescent teenager playing on daddy's computer.
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This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:38 pm to the808bass
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Too conciliatory to ever be a Muslim strategy.
I mean the world at large. Even Egypt has a blockade on Hamas.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:40 pm to trackfan
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Another prepubescent teenager playing on daddy's computer.
Seriously? You have been shown in this thread where there was no honored 16 month cease fire, yet you have yet to step back, breath and deal with facts.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:55 pm to darkhorse
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You said a 16 month long cease fire. That cease fire ended in Jun of 2006.
The chart covers 16 month prior to the end of your sited ceasefire of June 2006. It clearly shows missle and mortar launches into Israel through out that 16 month cease fire.
Back to this again. You are being shown. Rather than saying, "I didn't know that" and no longer using it, you keep up the lie.
I didn't fabricate the 16-month figure, which is what you seem to be implying, and I think you'll agree that the Washington Post is reputable news source. Furthermore, I recall the 16-month ceasefire being reported at the time it happened. It's up to you to decide what to believe. Additionally, your math is bad because that chart, which only states years, not months, doesn't preclude a 16-month ceasefire, ending in June 2006.
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Here's you a link LINK
Thanks, but unfortunately, your wikipedia chart doesn't state a source, and the two links no longer work.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:02 pm to darkhorse
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Seriously? You have been shown in this thread where there was no honored 16 month cease fire, yet you have yet to step back, breath and deal with facts.
1) Wrong! All you've done is provide a chart that states that rockets were fired in 2005 and 2006. I provided a news report that states that Hamas had obsevred a 16-month ceasefire.
2) Why do you have you panties in a bunch because I won't respond to a clown like TheInsider who just wants to trade insults?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:09 pm to trackfan
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I didn't fabricate the 16-month figure, which is what you seem to be implying, and I think you'll agree that the Washington Post is reputable news source.
I'm implying it NOW because you have been shown.
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Additionally, your math is bad because that chart, which only states years, not months, doesn't preclude a 16-month ceasefire, ending in June 2006.
Uh.. the chart goes back to 2001. I am certain that it goes back, precludes, 60 months worth of data.
Second, so it's not my math that's bad.
Third, I really want to let others point this out, but I can't let it go. Did you serious just say my math is bad because the chart does not does not preclude 2006 and then use that it's in years and not months? Seriously?
Anybody else read that?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:11 pm to trackfan
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1) Wrong! All you've done is provide a chart that states that rockets were fired in 2005 and 2006. I provided a news report that states that Hamas had obsevred a 16-month ceasefire.
And yet again the chart:
See that 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006?
It covers your 16 months
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:22 pm to trackfan
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1) Wrong! All you've done is provide a chart that states that rockets were fired in 2005 and 2006. I provided a news report that states that Hamas had obsevred a 16-month ceasefire.
I provided two separate instances in 2005 where Hamas explicitly. claimed responsibility for a rocket attack (of the 500 some rocket and mortar attacks on Israel).
If you think 500 separate rocket and mortar attacks are a cease fire, you're an incorrigible idiot.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:28 pm to darkhorse
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It covers your 16 months
No it does not. What's implied in the article I linked is that Hamas last fired rockets at Israel in February 2005. February 2005 through June 2006 covers 16 months.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:33 pm to darkhorse
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I'm implying it NOW because you have been shown.
If you're saying you won't accept anything reported by the Washington Post, this debate is pointless.
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