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re: For those who are pro choice: At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:35 pm to lsu1919
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:35 pm to lsu1919
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People are free to make their own choices, even and especially if I don't agree with them.
Can a mother choose to kill a 6 month old that won’t stop crying without societal consequence?
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:36 pm to lsu1919
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People are free to make their own choices
People aren’t free to murder someone. Unfortunately for unborn babies they can be murdered. Less government is great except for things like murder. I have no problem with government keeping people from murdering unborn babies that don’t have a say so. Murder and how you raise your kids are completely different topics.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:39 pm to lsu1919
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I'm against murder. Now how do I benefit by forcing a woman to have a baby she doesn't want?
You’d benefit by not living in a society where murdering unborn babies is legal.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:40 pm to windshieldman
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You’d benefit by not living in a society where murdering unborn babies is legal.
How so? Specifically.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:41 pm to jacob4bama
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Can a mother choose to kill a 6 month old that won’t stop crying without societal consequence?
If only there were 40 years of court precedents referring to abortions...
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:42 pm to jacob4bama
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Can a mother choose to kill a 6 month old that won’t stop crying
According to BamaAtl she can. That 6 month old isn't able to completely survive on it's own, therefore, it's eligible to be killed.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:42 pm to mouton
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At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?
Does it matter?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:43 pm to lsu1919
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If only there were 40 years of court precedents referring to abortions
So if the courts overturn Roe vs Wade and it last for 41 years your ok with it then?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:44 pm to lsu1919
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How so? Specifically
Because you’d be living in a society that has good ethics and good morals, which benefits everybody. You’d live in a society where life actually means something to people. That benefits all of us.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:44 pm to windshieldman
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People aren’t free to murder someone. Unfortunately for unborn babies they can be murdered. Less government is great except for things like murder. I have no problem with government keeping people from murdering unborn babies that don’t have a say so. Murder and how you raise your kids are completely different topics.
You view it as murder. But that's debatable. The point is, you would be up in arms if the government interjected itself into your family. Why do you want that in this case? Outside of meh murder.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:49 pm to lsu1919
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You view it as murder. But that's debatable.
How is that debatable? I’ve delivered babies in the field, it’s murder.
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The point is, you would be up in arms if the government interjected itself into your family.
I like limited government but not as limited as many others like. I think government being against my family being murdered is a good thing.
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Why do you want that in this case? Outside of meh murder.
The baby has been formed and is now a life. I want them to all at least have a chance. You’re belittling me saying murder with “meh murder” murder tends to be frowned upon by most people. I think meh murder is a good enough reason
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:54 pm to mouton
When it is viable outside the womb. But your question, to me, is not the point. My issue is that a baby in the womb is there at the whim of the mother, good, bad or indifferent. A woman will always have the ability to terminate a pregnancy....there is nothing the state can do about it...never has been, never will be. What the state can do is stand aside and allow it to be done safely and with some limitations. Its no one's business but the mother and her physicians. As long as we do not make it a crime to father children and not support them both financially and emotionally then fathers shouldn't have any say in the matter....it is a much bigger issue having men father children and abandon them than it is having a father who wants a child not have a say in it being aborted. As men we should correct the bigger issue first.
Another disturbing aspect is that when Roe is overturned it isn't going to improve anyone's life....some fetuses will become babies and their lives might be great but some of them will not and some of the women will have lives less good than they would have otherwise...so the net gain will be nil. More importantly it isn't going to impact the lives of those so emotionally involved in ending abortion....they will be euphoric for a few months or years but they will soon start casting about for the next cause....the next thing that other people are doing that they don't like and want to stop...and they'll find it...and given the current rift in our nation and the insistence of involving ourselves in the lives of others we will see an approach to a Christian style sharia law in the US. Remember, about 15 years or so ago the SBC stated publicly that a woman's job was to obey her husband....and a lot of southern Baptists, male and female, agreed. It isn't difficult to understand how middle eastern women find themselves in a bee keeper suit.....we have a growing segment of the US who like nothing better than to tell other people they have to confirm to their antiquated view of the world and most of us too polite to tell them to snuff it....
Another disturbing aspect is that when Roe is overturned it isn't going to improve anyone's life....some fetuses will become babies and their lives might be great but some of them will not and some of the women will have lives less good than they would have otherwise...so the net gain will be nil. More importantly it isn't going to impact the lives of those so emotionally involved in ending abortion....they will be euphoric for a few months or years but they will soon start casting about for the next cause....the next thing that other people are doing that they don't like and want to stop...and they'll find it...and given the current rift in our nation and the insistence of involving ourselves in the lives of others we will see an approach to a Christian style sharia law in the US. Remember, about 15 years or so ago the SBC stated publicly that a woman's job was to obey her husband....and a lot of southern Baptists, male and female, agreed. It isn't difficult to understand how middle eastern women find themselves in a bee keeper suit.....we have a growing segment of the US who like nothing better than to tell other people they have to confirm to their antiquated view of the world and most of us too polite to tell them to snuff it....
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:58 pm to germandawg
quote:Well this is just silly. With later pregnancies, she pretty much needs help to accomplish the task.
But your question, to me, is not the point. My issue is that a baby in the womb is there at the whim of the mother, good, bad or indifferent. A woman will always have the ability to terminate a pregnancy .there is nothing the state can do about it...never has been, never will be
Besides. Your sentence applies absolutely the same to a 2 month old baby. Quite obviously, should a mother choose to, she CAN take out that 2 month old. That doesn't mean we should just say, "meh, oh well".
quote:I would happily deal with men who father children that end up unsupported. 99% of conservatives would. Probably in a much harsher way than most liberals would.
As long as we do not make it a crime to father children and not support them both financially and emotionally then fathers shouldn't have any say in the matter....it is a much bigger issue having men father children and abandon them than it is having a father who wants a child not have a say in it being aborted. As men we should correct the bigger issue first.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:05 pm to ShortyRob
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I would happily deal with men who father children that end up unsupported. 99% of conservatives would. Probably in a much harsher way than most liberals would.
Yalls actions speak louder than your words....yall have been on about abortion since the 1960's....yall have never said a word about making men support their kids both financially and emotionally...in fact, many of you are as bad as the liberal dude who has 10 kids from 8 baby mamas...both the divorced guy who cant be bothered to be their for his kids and the latter dude is a dick and more detrimental to our society than all the abortions that have ever or will ever be done....and no one says a word about it...
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:08 pm to germandawg
quote:Who is "ya'll"? I said I
Yalls actions speak louder than your words.
quote:Are you somehow asserting that conservatives oppose child support laws?
yall have been on about abortion since the 1960's....yall have never said a word about making men support their kids both financially
quote:How would one even "make" someone do this? I'm open to suggestions
and emotionally...
quote:WTF are you talking about? This is an ENORMOUS subject of discussion. Are you delusional enough to think only liberals are having it?
..in fact, many of you are as bad as the liberal dude who has 10 kids from 8 baby mamas...both the divorced guy who cant be bothered to be their for his kids and the latter dude is a dick and more detrimental to our society than all the abortions that have ever or will ever be done....and no one says a word about it.
If it were up to me, if you provably fathered a total of 2 children you can't support, you should be rendered incapable of having a 3rd. These dude's fathering multiple children with multiple women would NOT be happy if people like me were making policy.
Alas, Al Sharpton would lose his fricking shite
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:12 pm to oogabooga68
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Of course there is a beginning and end to life as we know it and this kind of semantic bullzhit is WAYYY above YOUR pay grade, moron...
So tell me genius, when was there no life? Go ahead. Exactly when was something not alive.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:14 pm to TBoy
Before life began. Duh.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:19 pm to mouton
quote:It is up to the mother until it is born.
For those who are pro choice: At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:20 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Are you saying it's up to the mother to decide when the fetus becomes a human being?
For those who are pro choice: At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?
It is up to the mother until it is born.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:26 pm to cahoots
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Some women are never the same afterwards.
Some women are never the same after having an abortion either.
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