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re: For those wanting to live in a post-Christian America, how are you enjoying it
Posted on 4/7/22 at 7:27 pm to Azkiger
Posted on 4/7/22 at 7:27 pm to Azkiger
Reorientation towards orthodoxy and orthopraxy does not mean that all previous consequences are immediately swept aside, merely that there is a very good chance of renewal at some point. Vague, I know.
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:23 pm to Azkiger
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other historical non-Christian superpowers creating and maintaining societies just fine
Name one said Nation in the 20th or 21st century!
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:26 pm to riccoar
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Jesus Christ has never been hateful or vindictive. Nothing is The Word backs that statement.
Yeah. As an atheist, I'm relatively familiar with the bible. See Matthew or Luke for Jesus affirming old testament law.
FWIW... I've learned that there's too much heavy lifting involved to convince people with rationality, when they've derived their worldview from faith. Or vice versa... you're never going to convince a rationalist with a faith based approach.
Point being is that in all instances, when a religious group is granted civic authority, the results have never been good.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:29 pm to Revelator
Moral values & compass are our biggest problems
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:30 pm to MNCTigah
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Point being is that in all instances, when a religious group is granted civic authority, the results have never been good.
Atheistic governments, on the other hand, have all gone swimmingly.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:43 pm to the808bass
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Atheistic governments, on the other hand, have all gone swimmingly.
Negative.
The favored retort is that “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:47 pm to MNCTigah
That’s just a logical fallacy shoehorned into your bias. That’s about what I would expect.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:48 pm to theunknownknight
Jesus died for ALL sins.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:53 pm to MNCTigah
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FWIW... I've learned that there's too much heavy lifting involved to convince people with rationality, when they've derived their worldview from faith. Or vice versa... you're never going to convince a rationalist with a faith based approach.
I’m very rational ….give me evidence that a higher intelligence didn’t create the material universe. If someone can just explain in detail abiogenesis without leaving huge gaps for things they can’t explain I would reconsider my current beliefs.
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abiogenesis, the idea that life arose from nonlife more than 3.5 billion years ago on Earth. Abiogenesis proposes that the first life-forms generated were very simple and through a gradual process became increasingly complex.
This ^^^^ explanation for the origins of life is less likely or convincing than…..
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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Later on the Creator spoke into existence……
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26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Let us? Is this a reference to the Trinity?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:59 pm to the808bass
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That’s just a logical fallacy shoehorned into your bias. That’s about what I would expect.
bullshite. Everyone has biases. I simply subject my own to scrutiny and make sure I can defend with reason and rationality. Otherwise I discard.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:06 pm to Revelator
Which God am I supposed to believe in?
Zeus?
Anubis?
Poiseden?
Apollo?
Krishna?
Thor?
I get confused because there are so many. Luckily I was born in a country that worshiped a western, relatively young religion, called Christianity and it just so happened that it appears to be the correct religion or so everyone tells me. It’s such a crazy coincidence. I can’t imagine being born somewhere where they believe something else, don’t they know that they are incorrect?
Zeus?
Anubis?
Poiseden?
Apollo?
Krishna?
Thor?
I get confused because there are so many. Luckily I was born in a country that worshiped a western, relatively young religion, called Christianity and it just so happened that it appears to be the correct religion or so everyone tells me. It’s such a crazy coincidence. I can’t imagine being born somewhere where they believe something else, don’t they know that they are incorrect?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:08 pm to Azkiger
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the other historical non-Christian superpowers creating and maintaining societies just fine.
Who?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:13 pm to MNCTigah
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Negative.
The favored retort is that “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
Religious mandates are more effective than secular laws. People are less likely to break religious mandates.
Religion works for a lot of reasons, the social aspect is vital, and that alone has a powerful effect on communities binding them together, it’s an antidote to the desperately sad social isolation of modern life, but religion also acts as a carrot in a way the law and government can not.
Conversely, you can see social decay and retrenchment as the church dies. There is no other institution that can serve its purpose.
The church is dying for a lot of reasons, but Liberalism explains a lot of it. Liberals, both the Republican Party and the Conservative Party in the UK are liberal parties, put freedom above all other concerns.
Freedom and duty are opposing concepts, and freedom embraced in its most extreme forms denies that we have any obligations to the world and people around us. Thus liberals seek to kill, or refuse to defend institutions that promote a sense of duty, and connectedness. So the church becomes a prime enemy.
With the death of the church comes social decay and chaos. People’s lives are increasingly disconnected from each other.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:17 pm to Bass Tiger
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I’m very rational ….give me evidence that a higher intelligence didn’t create the material universe. If someone can just explain in detail abiogenesis without leaving huge gaps for things they can’t explain I would reconsider my current beliefs.
Not. The onus is on you to prove the existence of the rational intelligence, i.e., a God.
ETA: I don't interject a "God" into any gaps of our understanding of physics. That's just the "God of the Gaps" argument.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:20 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Religious mandates are more effective than secular laws. People are less likely to break religious mandates.
That doesn't make them true tho.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:24 pm to MNCTigah
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I simply subject my own to scrutiny and make sure I can defend with reason and rationality.
I’m still waiting on you to rationally define evil. You claimed God was evil.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:25 pm to MNCTigah
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Everyone has biases. I simply subject my own to scrutiny and make sure I can defend with reason and rationality. Otherwise I discard.
Lol. You think you can overcome your biases through rationality. That’s hilarious.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:29 pm to MNCTigah
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That doesn't make them true tho.
What if they’re good for you? And would lead you towards a better life than you have now.
Would it matter?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:29 pm to Revelator
This country needs God and Jesus more than ever.. Liberism had gotten to the point that things like Theft is overlooked and is acceptable.
This country worries more about the rights of the criminal than the cop. This country worries more about the rights of the Gay Transvestite than the child in school.
But regardless... a picture I post.
This country worries more about the rights of the criminal than the cop. This country worries more about the rights of the Gay Transvestite than the child in school.
But regardless... a picture I post.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:41 pm to Flats
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I’m still waiting on you to rationally define evil. You claimed God was evil.
Rationally, I'd define evil as a callous disregard for humanity. I would presuppose that as the contemporary definition. The allusion to "God is evil" is self evident.
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